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1  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Budget testing group on: September 02, 2004, 11:21:02 am
This whole thing sounds very intresting, I'll definatlely join that meeting.
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / How fair is Mishra's Workshop? on: August 30, 2004, 03:24:07 pm
Sigh, I guess Sweden really is the only place where it's dominating.
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / How fair is Mishra's Workshop? on: August 30, 2004, 10:29:48 am
Quote from: Bulls on Parade
Quote from: LOLinger
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Ric Flair: Charbelcher wins 40-50% of the time on turn one.


Thats not true !
Charbelcher kills around 10% on turn 1.
With that 40%-50% you probably mean that belcher puts the Blecher on turn 1 (for a turn 2 win during upkeep).

And a turn one win will NEVER be prevented by mishras workshop if the player piloting them lost the die-roll.


I didn't read the article, I'm just responding to these comments.

Charbelcher activates the Belcher (wins) a little over 1 in 3 games- I'd say 35% which is not far off what Ric said.  I'd say it goldfishes BY turn 2 about 90% of the time as well.  

Lolinger, Ric wasn't saying Mishra's Workshop is fair because it prevents Belcher from going off (at least to my understanding he wasn't) as much as he was intimating that if there's a deck that can outright win on turn 1 as often as Belcher then Mishra's Workshop is certainly fair considering the relative speed of the environment. I'm also not saying I agree with this assessment, just trying to clear things up.


Honestly, since when is Belcher.dec too good?

But more on topic; The Mishra Workshop problem doesn't seem to exist in the states in the same amount it does in Europe. Looking at american stax-builds, and the Gencon lists you find a lot of sub-optimal builds and some weird desire to play fat with the WS, instead of just playing lock-components and win. This could be a result of the large amount of Fish being played in the states, a deck that isn't exactly blooming in Europe (at least not in Sweden), due to the dominance of stax. But anyway like LOLinger said, I hope the proxy tournaments will show you the true power of stax, and why Mishra's Workshop deserves to be restricted.
4  Vintage Community Discussion / Casual Forum / [Deck] Pox post 5th Dawn. on: August 06, 2004, 01:51:46 pm
Ahh, I've always liked pox, I'm glad to see someone's finally done something to try and improve it. The Crucible sounds like a wonderful idea, although a bit mana intensive, it remains to be seen what this broken card can do. Some comments on your decklist though:
Why all the creature removal? Seems like 4 Edicts, 2 Abyss, and 3 Scroll is a bit of a overkill. I've never liked Scroll in pox at all, it's too expensive to activate, even with Crucible. Also, I've never liked Chimeric Idol, I found 1 Entomb, 1 Nether Spirit to be better, especially since I ran at least 3 Cabal Therapy as well, something I think you should definately include.
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