Forces help when they are on the play as dredge has nothing game to when your opponent is on the play you might not win a counter war with tez but most people hold there counters for dread return and other key effect. I have had a few players tell me after that they were tempted to counter my force targeting there relic but they had needle and force/ blue card to knock of my bazaar and counter my dread return. I ended up winning off careful study and ancestral recall into narcomoeba and ichorids into token and over ran them in a total of three turns.

As for a bad aggro deck I haven’t seen many aggro decks that can have 6 or 8 2/2 and a few ichorids by turn 2 or 3

Have you had games where you dread return and think if I didn’t have a dread return could I still win the game?

What does dredge do against turn one storm or turn one tezz not saying my build has no problems against either but I do have some answers some times I don’t have enough counters but force of will has won me games.

I am running 4 force of will 4 chalice of the void 4 cabal therapy which I usually cast on average 5 a game 2 chain of vapor which all help with main deck hate as well as keeping my opponent off there key spells.  As for more explosive most of the time when I can dread return for the win I am already winning and have my opponent far enough behind that I don't need the dread return

i have been playing a list with out dread return based off the european list fowchorid. its slower but has more control and seems to do very well against all versions of hate. i have been trying to fit a dread return and a flame Kin Zealot in the main as there are a few times where it would be nice to win now altough not often.

Lands
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 Cephalid Coliseum
3 City of Brass
2 Gemstone Mines

Artifacts
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
4 Chalice of the Void

Spells
1 Ancestral Recall
3 Careful Study
2 Chain of Vapor
4 Forces of Will
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy

Creatures
4 Narcomoeba
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
2 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Putrid Imp
4 Ichorid

Side Board
3 Wispmares
4 Contagion
3 Yixlid Jailer
1 Darksteel Colossus
4 Pithing Needle

great article as always this is my first post. just wondering why no one is running wispmare as it gets around chalice of the void and deals with leyline of the void.