this is currently what im running. i quit playing magic last year but made a deck on MWS to test out because its honestly too hard to leave this game. i just want to make sure im making the right choices before buying these cards. i live in NYC so the results from the NYSE are pretty much my metagame.

4 Wooded Foothills
4 mountain
4 wasteland
4 forest
1 strip mine
4 taiga

4 elvish spirit guide
4 simian spirit guide
4 tarmogoyf
4 Magus of the moon
4 Gorilla Shaman
3 Grim Lavamancer
3 Vexing Shusher

4 Null Rod
4 Pyroblast
4 Natures Claim
1 Black Lotus
2 Rack and Ruin
not sure what i want to put in the sideboard yet, definitely some more artifact hate and something for dredg. any critisim on it?

My friend and I are making casual decks, Ive always like ug madness, but haven't been looking at new cards much because we have always played vintage. Any potantial cards I can throw in there without altering the "staples" for madness that are newer

 Hello, I have constructed several vintage decks over the years (all complete minus power) and was wondering if it is more profitable to sell the decks as wholes or rip the decks apart and sell the singles?

a tourament for power thats only 10 mins away? Impossible! Seriously though, as a broolynite vintage player this is gonna be great.

I don't understand the part about tezz...can you please retype that?

 I have a few upcoming tournaments and my meta consists of mostly drains (split between tezz/painter and lots of stax/shops with very little aggro), between TPS, GWSx, and tezz what makes the most sense to play? (I will not play ichorid) Thanks in advance for the advice.

great article, any chance of an article about sideboarding coming out soon? 

im done with this arguing. please stick to the thread's purpose

bro, listen, nothing is "sub-optimal". Do i have to post my entire meta game for you? no, i do not, so i play based on what is around me, so in that case, no deck would be suboptimal. Contribute to the thread, and stop talking out of your ass trying to defend this guy

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got it, but i do not like ignorance...

thats exactly what i was thinking, in terms of wierd dreges..like random compiled crap instead of something benefitting

you guys are acting like little kids. Just leave the thread for people who want to actually talk about the deck, and not critisim by you dudes acting like little 8 year old girls who cant even wipe their own asses.

and what do you define as "suboptimal", play Magic, and stop thinking youre the best...people play what they want to, wtf is "suboptimal" if it wins

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it might just be a matter or preference....

what if its early in the game, and you only have a dread return and a few creatures, Sage would be optimal

Cephalid sage > River Kelpie

reason being, why do you want to sac more creatures to draw, when you would have less Bridges in your yard, giving you less tokens, and Sage prepares it for you

Whoever made the 1st Ichorid thread is slacking, so its time for me to remake it. First off, if anyone has any questions about playing the deck, feel free to ask. Anyways, it seems like Ichorid has fallen off the planet or something, being nobody plays it anymore, from what ive seen in tournament reports and research, but it should be still very alive. Very few people have been playing this deck lately, and i think its time to basically bring it back.

i was recently in a tournament, rather small one, and i was the only player playing Ichorid, and i placed 1st. heres my decklist, and suggestion would help:

Lands

4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Dryad Arbor

Creatures

4x Ichorid
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
4x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Narcomoeba
1x Sundering Titan
2x Cephalid Sage
2x Flame-Kin Zealot

Spells

3x Chalice of the Void
4x Bridge from Below
4x Dread Return
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Serum Powder
4x Leyline
4x Unmask

Sideboard

4x Contagion
3x Wooded Foothills
3x Reverent Silence
3x Ancient Grudge
2x Emerald Charm


I understand there are many different ways to play this deck, but after much play testing and research, this seems to be the best list, for me that is. i would like something to compare it too, so please post your lists as well

i actually played sundering titan once, against Josh's Oath, and won the match. i see it like if i cant win turn 2 and i have him there, i can dread return him for some disruption, and it did work, being i couldnt win that turn but destroyed his lands. Also, it takes Inkwell on, and basically wastes Tinker. Plus, Sundering Titan looks cool!

im not including my sideboard, because ill be going to a tournament next saturday...but i was running the basics

First i want to say, thank you everyone for coming, and it was actually a fun event, with laughs and stuff. This was my first vintage tournament, i dont count the last one because i was late and had an automatic losing record.Winning decklist here:

Lands

4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Dryad Arbor

Creatures

4x Ichorid
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
4x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Narcomoeba
1x Sundering Titan
2x Cephalid Sage
2x Flame-Kin Zealot

Spells

3x Chalice of the Void
4x Bridge from Below
4x Dread Return
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Serum Powder
4x Leyline
4x Unmask

anyone from NY going to this event....

any car room for 3 people?

Ill be there

Well, thanks for the support guys, i really apperciate it..being i was really never in a vintage tournament before. The thing was, that i have been playing Ichorid for about 2-3 years, when it was just an idea. I took that and created my own, with Sundering Titan, and never wanted to make it run mana.

And yes, i didnt have an answer for angel, i was running Ancient Grudge. People have really changed Ichorid since it first started being played, with Angel of Despair and such, but i kept it simple.


Also if anyone is a free agent, meaning they arent on a team or anything, they can always team up with mine. If youre interested, please let me know or Joe (shadow).

yea, i am the ich player...lol

and great match Josh, although i knew i had game 2 on the second turn,...you played well

also, Yare, are you Dave, which i played and then explain after what you should have done

Sup guys, so i won the tournament

once jostin posts it in the tournament results thread, ill post my decklist

can we have the official post for the next tournament....

very interesting article. Its a shock at first looking at the suggested decklist as the dynamics of it are alot different than TPS as we know it. The removal of grim tutor, the 3 off-color moxen, and mind's desire is also interesting as well. I for one am interested to playtest it and see how it works out, I would like to hear what other people think about that article. Who knows, maybe this is a step in the right direction for the revival of TPS?

thats what I was thinking, and to finally wrap it all up, what is the "right" amount of lands to sb, I've usually seend 2-4 but I dont want to have a SB full of lands.

 how imperative is it to have basic lands in the sideboard?

just out of curiosity is there any benefit/difference between running bloodstained mire over flooded strand for the 5th fetch?

Thanks for the input Smmenen, its greatly appreciated . I would also like to know If its a good idea to run TPS in meta, which is primarily stax, tezz, and fish?

I had a few questions in reference to TPS. First, I wanted to know if its viable to drop grim tutor completely, as I feel more so than not its a dead card plus its very costly @ 1BB, not to mention it's a sorcery. Second, assuming you run a full playset of duress, for arguments sake if you wanted to include thoughtseize as more disruption, would it make more sense to drop a 4th duress for it or could it be the replacement for grim?