I thought 2 Deep Analysis was pretty standard in U/g but looking at your new list you haven't included them. Right now you have plenty of hate against Oath (Waterfront Bouncers & Annul) and those seem to be taking up a lot of slots.

You also don't have MD Null Rods/Energy Flux . Do you think 3 Waterfront Bouncers and 3 Annuls is excessive?

Another off topic question I have is, do you guys play a madness creature on your turn for an extra damage or do you play it as an instant on your opponents turn? I know this question really depends on what your opponent is playing but it would be great if someone could give me a rough idea.

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I just want to add that Wonder has disappeared from this deck and from the SB.

Thanks.

Does anybody think Energy Flux can be substituted for the 3 Null Rods main? As you guys already said, Null Rods shut down combo and affinity while Energy Flux shuts down Workshop Aggro. I currently don't have 3 Null Rods and was wondering if I could just substitute them for now until I buy some.

Another question is if Wonder is useful anymore? JP ran 2 wonders MD and I really like my guys to have flying.Space seems tight now that we run Waterfront Bouncers.

A recent U/g decklist that caught my attention was Glenn Miller's Manefesto Madness.

Here's the decklist, I hope he doesn't mind.

Manefesto Madness
 
Deck
4x Island
3x Tropical Island
4x Forest
3x Windswept Heath
3x Polluted Delta
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Emerald
1x Gush
2x Curiosity
1x Timewalk
1x Ancestral Recall
3x Back to Basics
3x Energy Flux
3x Circular Logic
3x Daze
4x Force of Will
2x Wonder
2x Waterfront Bouncer
2x Arrogant Wurm
3x Aquamoeba
4x Wild Mongrel
4x Basking Rootwalla
1x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine  

Sideboard
2x Arrogant Wurm
3x Gilded Drake
3x Chill
4x Echoing Truth
3x Maze


Some interesting points to mention is the B2B,Energy Flux and Curiosity maindeck.I'm curious to know if anybody else has tried curiosity in U/g and if a few slots are worth it. 2 Bouncers are also maindeck and I'm not sure if the optimal number is 2 or 3 but they definitely help out against oath as everyone has stated. Daze is runned and I really like 3 of them in the deck since many people find Circular Logic is a bit slow.

The deck is odd with 2 Arrogant's in the SB and I'm not exactly sure what the reason is.

One question I have is, what is the optimal number of fetch lands? I've seen many Legacy builds running 6 but most run just 4. I'm assuming we run 4 because we run wastelands.

Lastly, Ray of Revelation is great since you don't even need to splash white as you can just use the flashback against oath.

Thanks Jacob. You guys redeemed yourself after killing the budget forum. I hope we can make some strong improvements now that our group is starting up.

We have alot of people who either use MWS or Apprentice. We also have alot of different instant messanger clients.

I agree with Nazdakka that we should all meet in #themanadrain on IRC and we can all sort it out.

I've been playing U/g madness for quite some time and your list is pretty unique.

I think you should have at least 4 fetchlands as everyone already stated since they are sweet with Brainstorms as you already know. I never tried Sylvan Library so I can't really say if it fits or not. I also don't see any Aquamoeba's either since you really want to accelerate into the Roar.

Daze might be an alternative if you need that early vital counter. Even with your low mana base I suggest you try it out as you really need your Roar's on the table as soon as possible to start bashing your opponent.

I'm also curious to see what the good/bad matchups of this deck is.

First of all, before everyone starts posting their contact info, we should have a general guideline.

Should we use Apprentice of Magic Workstation?
What instant messanger client should we use (AIM,ICQ,MSN,etc..)?
Is MIRC a possibly too?

I think we also need a more solid gauntlet from that list you already created.

Once we all agree on the magic program and a IM client, we should be ready to go.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Deed and Disk does take out the Troll. The Troll isn't being targetted.Sorry to pick on that mistake but it's important to know that he does die to Deed and Disk.

Null rod is needed maindeck and that's one of the key cards in madness. Back to Basics is in the sideboard and all you need to do it side it in afterwards. Back to Basics would be too slow against Dragon in my opinion.

I've been also finding the deck is slow(I'm playing the budget version) as other people have stated. I'm going to test out daze and see how that works out.

I'm also going to see if I can find that decklist that kirdape3 mentioned.

Isochron Scepter can be fun and annoying. If you Scepter an Aether Burst , you can return up to 4 creatures a turn if you have 3 Aether Burst in your graveyard.

I agree with Methuselahn. The Bazaar's are going to be the perfect strip/waste target.Your Bazaar's are the heart of the deck and you need to protect them.You said you were running 2 Dazes. Try running Stifle if you haven't already and see if you like them.

Since you're discarding alot of cards , I think Grim Lavamancer would be a great idea. He allows you to take care of aggro which seems to be your problem.It'll allow you to take out Fish's creatures and Goblin Welders once they are on the board.

I agree with Ephraim that you should take out the City of Traitors and Ancient Tomb as you want green sources of mana early on to play your first turn Llanowar / Fyndhorn Elf.

I would also suggest that you take out the Grim Monolith , Mana Vault and possibly the Sol Ring. You need green sources and you just can't abuse the cheap artifacts until a bit more into the game when it will accelerate your Saproling cards. I see that you generate enough mana to untap the Grim Monolith and Mana Vault but wouldn't you rather spend your mana elsewhere?

And now my answer to your two questions. I believe that Naturalize should be fine , you shouldn't need to splash red just for Artifact Mutation. Your deck would then need to fix it's mana base to accommodate the splash.

Xantid Swarms should be left in the Sideboard as they are pretty much useless if you're playing against aggro.

Also take out a Gaea's Cradle.Three is too much as they are legendary lands meaning you can only have one in play.

21) Because Sink Holeing a fetchland is the worst tech in vintage

18) It's not blue.