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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / Gay/r: my attempts at a primer on: April 17, 2004, 05:15:28 pm
But no one is still telling me what is metagame deck vs normal deck.  you say pahntom tapewurm.dec is metagame but if it is played in all different types of metagames i dunnu understand.  slavery.dec is bad matchup has u/g maddenis.dec and so in metagame of madenis then slaver.dec is bad metagame deck.  then you are to modify the slaver to compete like you are to modifying the fish.dec.  You are saying what does not make since to me with metagame.dec and metahate.dec nad normal deck.

If i am changing sideboards than i am metagame deck to or not?  you are making silly classification that is not right and you dunnu even explain about it.  and then you problly hered that from mIRC and think it was something good to say but dunnu even think it through.

Changing sideboards is so much not as big a deal as it is to make the real deck worse when you are "evolve' it.  You are change proportions in the real deck of what the masters say is the best and you are make backward progress and evolve the way they already did and found out it was wrong.  they have correct all those backward evolves and make the right maindeck.  i think it ok to change card that is similar for same type of card but not change whole type of card.  change out daze into stifle is maybe ok but notting curiosity into island and that is twhat people do.
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Gay/r: my attempts at a primer on: April 17, 2004, 02:08:15 am
Quote from: Shadow Ninja
The fundamental difference between changing, say, Smemnarch's MEandeck Slaver build versus changing Phantom Tapeworm's Gay/r build is that Meandeck Slaver is a deck that can be optimized theoretically, whereas Gay/r is a deck that can only be optimized for the metagame in which you plan to play it.  It's a metahate deck, and as such continual discussion on what does and doesn't work is in fact necessary, and things that worked well before may change depending on shifts in the metagame.  Meandeck Slaver, however, doesn't have much room for real solid improvement at this point, leaving the only real consideration to what to put in the sideboard or perhaps maindeck, depending on the extremity of the metagame you plan to play in.

In short, Gay/r revolves around hating the metagame, whereas Meandeck Slaver sees that as a secondary concern next to its powerful brokenness.


I just say that this is not a metagame deck and I give reasons, but then you say that it is but you dunnu back up your reasons you just say that it is and have no reason.  I think you are confused.  you are compare to meandeck slave.dec and you are saying it is not metagame deck but you should maybe explain what you mean by metagame deck.
meandeckslave.dec is a combo deck and has some controltype cards that are very broad like fow and chalice for the void.  fish is aggrotype deck that has some control cards in it that are very broad like fow and null rod.  but you are saying that meandeckslaveer.dec is ultimate and fish is metahate??  this is crazy thinking that you hered from people in the mIRC and is not even thought out.
I proof my point with the deck that the phantom tapewurm is used in mariland.  he is never change it and the metagame changes but he still is win.  if metagame is change but decklist is same and deck is still win   then how can it be metagame deck????????????????



And moxlutus you are say that we should not innovtae but we can.  just why innovate if something is working?  metagme changes and deck changes   or it doesnt becuase it dunnu need to change to win.  

maybe everyone herre is just bad with the phantom tapewurm deck and thinks there is something to change to make it better when there is nothing to change its just them thta is bad  HUK HUK ^^

Sentences start with a capital letter. Your posts are really hard to read for someone that does not use English as a mother language. Stop using abbreviations please.
-- Toad
3  Eternal Formats / Creative / Gay/r: my attempts at a primer on: April 16, 2004, 02:24:53 pm
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Maybe, but I feel the deck would stand to get better with some constructive criticism. This doesn't exactly cut it.


I dunnu see how the deck can be better it is already the best you can do on no money becaue it doest use power.  change the creatures and you have a deck that is not as good exept in certain matches were you get lucky cause your creature is only good vs this matchup.  with serindib he is only good against bolts but even then he is only pinging you all the turns so you are helping them.  i also dont see how he is good vs any of the teir 1 decks like hulk or slaver or draw7.  the voidmage is good vs all of the tier 1 decks because he can do his ability to stop spells instead of being just a beater that is immune to bolt.
 
ANd this is like trying to improve the slavery list from the slaver master and it is crazy.  how are you going to make a better list than the slaver master?  you cant becuaes his list is the best one and it is keep on winning tournaments.  you are trying to fix it but it doesnt need a fix even though you thi8nk it does.


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That's just a stupid reason to leave a decklist alone. This a metagame deck, and as such it requires continuous changes to stay competitive.


Itis not stupid because i have seen the phantom tapewurm at tournaments and he is plays the same deck all the time and he always wins.  you think this is a metagame deck but it is metagame deck as much as any other deck with control inside of it.  this deck isnt' wins becuase it is metagaming the right way but becuase it is good and has the best build.  you are probably sayin it is mategame deck because it has null rod but it is not a metagame cared in type 1 where all decks are running artifact.  drawing cards is not metagame deck and neither is free counterspells or wasteland   that is just necessary for type 1 decks that are doing control.  grim lavamancer is not megagame deck and the rest of the creatures can say the same because they all fit in together and work to make the deck better.  changing anything in this deck should have a really good reason because i see it being just fine and its still working so why try to change it?  you were saying the voidmage is bad but he fits with the lavamancer and what i said before about tier 1 decks.  Efreets does not efect tier 1 decks.
4  Eternal Formats / Creative / Gay/r: my attempts at a primer on: April 16, 2004, 09:45:18 am
Serindib efreet is good if you have a way to sac him but not if you dont because sometimes he can kill you and yhou already are to much damage with fetchlands and fows.  This just makes the aggro matchup worse because now you are helping them with killing you.  And also in the mirror they can curiosity him and that would make you give them a card every turn!!  And then he doesnnt do anything about spells that hit later in the game and what happens when they cast yawgwill you lose?  Voidmage can stop spells.  The only thing hes good for is beating madness but he still cant stop a wurm only rootwalla and aquamoeba.  

Why is the list wrong with voidmage?  Is the list that phantom tapewurm use not the best?  He is the master of fish so why not just do what he says?
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Article: Stealing Turns and Perms with Slavery in Type One on: April 14, 2004, 10:23:45 am
Quote from: kse.dk
Thanks for the tips regarding side boarding Steve, but would you mind giving a hint about what to remove from the main deck, for the suggested sideboard cards.
I think the maindeck is so tight, that it makes sideboarding very difficult. Especially against control. This is because you don't have a lot of cards that are simply bad in the match up and therefore easy to remove. Instead you have to evaluate the card's usefulness, which can be quite difficult at times, as one card brought in from the sideboard may only be slightly better than the one it replaces. This makes identification of the correct sideboard strategy difficult.
I always side in some artifact destruction vs. keeper, because all the keeper decks I play against are using damping matrix or sceptre. In that match up I remove chalice, because keeper has so much artifact hate with diverse casting cost. Is this just dead wrong?



This is what i need to know.  I know there is a sideboard but using it is the prollem.  What do you take out and when do i take it out in the matchups?  Sometimes yhou want to have a 3nisphere in if you are going first, or sometimes you will side out chalice if you are going second?  I keep herring diffrent things about it.

What do i take out for bloodmoon?  what do i take out for ranck and ruin?  I would like for the slavery master to tell me what to do.

Maybe someone has done this in a tournement report and has posted how they sidded buti never see it.  it would be good for someone to have a link of this thread to that report.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Article: Stealing Turns and Perms with Slavery in Type One on: April 14, 2004, 12:13:21 am
I know the sideboard but useing it is the question because i he doesnt give an explanation about any of the reasons why it is with this:

3 bloodmoon
2 gorilla shamen
3 rack and ruin
2 red elemental blast
4 trinishpare
1 triskelion

Where is the man plan in this i dont see it.  I would like to see him explain how he sideboards and against what for this matches:

hulk
fish
u/g madness
dragon
sui
keeper
landstill
eba

I dunnu see any threads like this and i did the search.  Can someone explain how to sidboard with this deck instead of telling me things i already hered?

Please check your spelling and use punctuation / capital letters.
-- Toad.
7  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Article: Stealing Turns and Perms with Slavery in Type One on: April 13, 2004, 11:24:54 pm
Quote from: Smash
Look at some of the decklists. Ultimately, you need to adjust the SB for your meta, not just what people tell you to do.


3sphere just isn't THAT good of a metachoice right now. Its there for draw7, but nothing else I can think of.


You dont seem to get that im lookiing for somemone to tell me what to do.  i dont think thta i am going to be better at playing the slaverys than smmenen so i want to know how to play it from him not guess on what to do.  Plus i have a tournament coming ups in like 4 days and i am thinking abuot playnig slave.dec but i want to know wath the best side boark plan is.  Plus i dont have much time to do the testing and i would rather learn from the best guys on themanadrain than from people who are just going to tell me to figure it out muyself.

if 3sphere is no good against anything but dar7 then whey even bother putting it in the side??  Draw 7 dies to chalice for zero so why even bother worrying abuot it to begin with??

I am more worried about tog.dec which is the best deck right now anyway because it is what all the good player will have.
8  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Article: Stealing Turns and Perms with Slavery in Type One on: April 13, 2004, 11:07:57 pm
Can someone explain to me a couple of things about slaver.  First i want to know in about the sideboard because i don't know how to construct that properly.  i always see 3nispheres in the board but i don't know why they arenet maindeck because slaver runs workshop and that should be good with sphere.

Also what is an appropriate sideboard for slaver?  i know the large men plan but i wonder what can be done vs hulk.  Basically, i want to know how to board with slaver adnd i want to know why the 3sphere isnt in the maindeck to begin with.
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / GPDC VINTAGE Championship on: April 13, 2004, 10:57:02 pm
I've played at dreamwizards in mariland before and i see a lot of fish decks winning.  mostly its hulk too but i think hulk is the best deck.  i think i will play fish or hulk at the gpdc because hulk is so good and because fish is so cheap.

I think only one person in the area owns workshops at all, and there were like 30 people at the last dreamwizard tournament and i only saw one trinistax deck at the last tournament and no tnt or other artifact decks.  mostly mariland  and dc is non-artifact but slaver came out so maybe one will show up.  probably the guy who played trinistax before.

The best deck to play is probably hulk.  Plus dr sylvan says it has the best winning record of any deck so you cant argue with numbers.
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