i think you have raised some good points here and thank you, im gonna refix the mana base, drop a few bits and pieces, will reassess;

cheers again,

thanks for your suggestions, will probably convert to a 5c base soon but didnt want to get too brainy for my first few games back and MUD still seems to be performing ok.
On another note, if I am boarding leylines do you think it would be wise to drop a city of traitors for a phyrexian tower? as atm i need lotus to cast if i dont have it in my opening hand. or do you think it would be best to drop them from the board altogether?


cheers again

Hi,
I am completely new to Vintage, I only ever played standard and some extended PTQs and am actually making a long overdue return to the game. I haven't picked  up the lands so to speak since CoK so I am still getting back into the swing.
Anyway, I am hoping to play a few vintage events this summer and despite having sold most of my cards a while back am hoping to play MUD. Here is the deck I have put together:

MUDdy Waters
Prison bits...20
4 Tangle Wire
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Smokestack
4 Sphere of Resistance
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
2 Crucible of Worlds

Men...11

4 Metalworker
3 Triskelion
2 Arcbound Ravager
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Sundering Titan

Tools...5

2 Staff of Domination
3 Sword of Fire and Ice

Mana...25

1 Black Lotus*
5 Moxen*
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Strip mine
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Mishra’s Factory
4 Mishra’s Workshop
4 Wasteland
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors

-61 cards

Side board...15

4 Leyline of the Void
2 Jester’s Cap
2 Powder Keg
3 Duplicant
???

Was hoping for some help, mainly with the following;
61 cards feels icky...was running 3rd Crucible and a 4th ancient tomb and no swords but SOFI cant be ignored
Sideboard...pithing needles,eon hub? possibly another cap.
Wondered if anyone had had success with Orb of dreams or if (even though this may be retarded) helm of obedience had been tested (its late here and leyline+helm=you have no library is very tempting )

Thank you, any help would be great