I guess its about time I put this thread on notice TheDeadMan Cometh

Vexing susher, pyrostatic pillar, ankh of mishra. While the deck most likely will never be teir 1 or 2, it is a strong deck that is allways underestimated and excels when built for the meta.


With the recent printing of kiln fiend the decks clock has increased to the point where it can race just about any deck out their.

At least someone remembers who I am, and the fact that I make burn work. Speaking of which guess this is as good a time as any to put myriad games on noticed you will get trogdored.

Theirs obviously only one thing, and one thing only that would make a sligh deck work: me playing vintage again 

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Only so many weekends in a month, and only so many tourney entrys for people to lose then flip out about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_GN4R_taQ8

If your going to win with the swinging for X damage plan, why bother with the extra step of killing your own critter to win.

Was looking over the legacy prizes and wtf,scrublands and badlands you trying to say legacy is full of scrubs and bad players compared to tfail err t1 :p

Dident anyone else get the notice T1 is dead dead dead... At DHG their wont be any resurrection, ashes to ashes dust to dust.

It seems to me the white splash could be changed to -1 enlightened tutor + 1 mystical -4 meddling mage + 4 voidmage. this would allow you to have a stabler mana base as well as the ability to use excess wizards as counters.

The situation you just described is actually a very common mistake vs a synergistic hate style deck like I play. Also with the afore mentioned cards in my post ankh/vise a play like that usually will cost games given your getting attacked on all fronts. For reference though he is a link to the deck that I am refering to, it is 6th place http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=35128.0

Ive been trying this card on and off, the problem with him is 2 fold. 1st He is slower than goyf which is the new mainstay of gat 2nd For a 3 drop to be useful in an aggro control deck the card needs to make an immediate game changing impact which he just does not do.


This card has seen play in virtually every red based deck I have run with great success. The only problem with the card though is it requires support disruption, usually in the form of ankh of mishra/black vise.

On the issue of crusher, I feel in vintage it will never have a true impact, given line lasher fell out of favor, and it has an on color card to make it infin big: life from the loom. Right now I believe one of the most brutal cards in the format is price of progress. It works under a magus, and virtually every deck is going to take a minimum  of 4 damage off it. 

Chance to win a joke go needlebug go.

Boo we demand custom mountains  I should be their, if you dont mind putting me down as a prereg that would be greatly appreciated.

I just have to ask why is it that 1 icbm team member(Dxfiler) can have a tourney with such huge prize support, and an entire team comes up with broodstars?

The addition of red is a nice touch to the deck, offering strong answers to various decks without to much damage to your mana base.  After extensive testing with Rich my sligh deck was giving standard GAT many headaches with the multitude of ways it can attack the deck. Over all though I dont think you need to worry about the match as much with the goyf build of the deck, which was a saving grace of Rich's  build of GAT vs many others. As far as mono red decks doing well the meta is very ripe for them atm as many decks are unprepared. The build that I prefer myself:

Creatures: 16
2 gorilla shaman
2 goblin vandal
4 mogg fanatic
4 grim lavamancer
4 magus of the moon

Burn: 11
3 fireblast
4 lightning bolt
4 price of progress

Hate: 11
3 pyrostatic pillar
4 ankh of mishra
4 black vise

Mana: 22
1 lotus petal
1 mox ruby
1 black lotus
4 simian spirit guide
15 mountains

SB: 15
1 pyrostatic pillar
3 shattering spree
3 tormods crypt
4 fratured loyality
4 pyroblast

Top 8 split each getting $125, and shockingly enough multi mono red decks made it in.

Dart Dart Dart G3?

My votes for sligh

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I for one am very happy that 4 gush decks are out there in force. It allows rogue deck(s), card(s) to make appearances and steal games. Back on topic though congrats to everyone that made top8, just wish I could have been their.

You say you want to play the aggro role yet have 6 critters, and a combo esque setup. The true versalitility of the uwb build comes from the fact it plays control, can aggro and yet still has a combo out. I would honestly suggest Sui/w build if your looking for the aggro disrupt deck esp in light of sui's recent sucess.

One of the strongest cards in this particular type of fish deck in my experience is cutpurse. It allows solid draw forces them to discard which makes extrapte much more powerful if you chose to run it. Hopefully in the next few days ELD will have the deck lists up from his last event and you can see ym current build for reference, hope this helps.

I myself have been kicking around the idea of a 3 color fish deck, ive taken a slightly less beatdown and more disruptive version of what you have in mind. So far in my testing 3 color has proved to be srtong, but as of date it still needs something to push it over the top. The major issue I see with your build is the lack of stifles md. The lone extripate seems very out of place even with the tutors, any reason in particular you run only 1?

To lazy to write report ftl

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I'll admit it did look like a dead set for me going in vs fish, and possibly another fish in the finals. And yes I know I shouldent scoop to a dead set, but it was dave and he has done alot of work improving the format and deserved his shot at the glory.

The afore mentioned cards tend to buy time, where as what I am proposing flat out wins as they are left helpless.  It may just be me but I feel the more we try to tinker with U/w fish the more it becomes an aggro deck with some defense than a utility based aggro control deck.

I hate to hijack the thread, but in the face of many decks running a single near unstoppable win condition ie: tendrils, empty the warrens, dsc. Has the need for an extract effect been increased? As a U/r fish player I have found rootwater theif to be a great asset. Would something like this have a place in U/w fish over say the traditional children/true believer?

A tutor might act as a psudo copy in terms of raw numbers, it dosent take the place of actually having more than 1 copy when dealing with countermagic. In my vast experience with "hate" decks redundancy esp when fightning against a surperior deck, tends to be more helpful than cramming more tricks in because of tutors.