From reading various forums the consensus I have seen with the wizards repacks is 1 in 720 packs and roughly 8 cards pulled out of like 9,000 boosters throughout the texas area and out of all those --1 ancestral recall, 5 dual lands a phyrexian dreadnought and a candelabra of tawnos.  So I am guessing that if you are super lucky, you may get a dual land... personally I am pissed that the boxes are so high and am not buying a single box.  I was about to preorder a case at 550 3 weeks ago and because i am in Kuwait, and heading back to the US in the next 7 days i decided to wait a week to order mainly because i didnt have a good address yet.  After that one week, cases were a min 600 -then 2 days later 660 and now boxes are 120+ making cases redic.  even starcitygames had three price hikes in less than 5 days.  I bought all the enemy fetches off ebay and plan on buying my power through credible stores.

dropping the pledge for 4 luminarch ascension.  also dropping the silence for 4 Path to exile.  Ajani Vengeant lightning bolts and armageddons.  you are thinking of goldmane verison. 

8   1cc
4   2cc
8   3cc
12 4cc
0   5cc
4   6cc

I plan on running this (a version of) at the PT Austin LCQ so appreciate all the help and criticism.

I like this slower version.  You can win without actually hitting the dredge engine at all which is good.  I am running the inquiry version on MODO currently and will probably adapt to your version on there once the rotation happens online.  I tend to stall out 50% of the time using a turn 1 inquiry-I combo much more consistently with a turn 1 tome scour and believe that the bloodghast and lost truths creature will help tremendously. 

Here is a basic shell of a control deck for the new standard.  I believe that sligh and creatures in general are  the main way to win current standard.  I suggest a creatureless control which should make at least 4 cards in every deck dead-- many decks may have 6-8 dead cards.  This is a rough draft,  please add/remove any suggestions appreciated.


4 Ajani Vengeant
4 Elspeth Knight Errant
4 Silence
4 DoJ
4 Intimidation Bolt
4 Volcanic Fallout
4 Martial Coup
4 Conquerors Pledge
4 lightning bolt
4 arid mesa
12 plains
8 mountains

I think Baneslayer Angels in the board would be good but the rest of SB not sure of atm.

I think it would be fun to draft with the all foil packs but really not that appealing- even with a rare in each pack, odds of making up the 12$ per booster isnt very good.

genius.   I now have my Ichorid SB.

Criticism regardless if insulting is what we need here.  I personally never played any version of RDW except for goblins in extended and legacy and trying to help make a chandra ablaze deck that might work.  The inquiry although not a great card works a bit in filling the yard for chandras ultimate as well as combos with temper.  Not a tier 1 deck by any means- only a theory to see if it can go anywhere with the proper alterations.  What would you make of a Chandra ablaze deck Jewfro? or specifically change from our builds to make them more viable?

I really like the traps-- not all of them, but the concept is amazing and who doesnt like free spells.  As long as they make enough of them and continue making them through the rest of the block, i think they could possibly have a major impact later on.

I am willing to test it out.  in my extended deck i am running tome scour and instead of 5 cards its only a mill of 3 but also gives me a dude.  I doubt it would really fit or even be needed in legacy or vintage dredge as there are just too many better cards in that slot IMO.

So with the many traps coming out including a few playables, you guys think cunning wish could become a hot commodity again?  I have a set (because of my outdated reset hightide legacy deck) and was wondering if I should definately hold on to them.

I may consider the Meecrob in Dredge..  possibly

This trap could easily replace leyline in the sideboard although after you pop it, its just like crypt and dredge can still go off.  I doubt there will be more dredge hate in sideboards than thre already are,  just that the options are more varied.  The trap is much better vs decks with Y Will IMO

The amazing combos aside, this guy looks to be hitting sideboards hard come october possibly making a small splash through every format IMO.  How big a splash wont be known for a while yet but I am certain there will be one.  Any extended deck says affinity loses.  and if you are not playing bounce, you lose to marit lage..  also marit lage could easily be protected via discard and counter control in a solic B/u suicide control deck.

I like disfigure as well.  for  it will be ran in many decks i think easily over darkblast in extended.  maybe not in Legacy or vintage but I am sure it will see a lot of play in the other formats.  The snare has potential if they do make a lot of traps similar to the splice onto arcane jank they did in kamagawa block.

So after reading eveeryones posts, I am leaning towards this card wont have an impact at all in vintage. possibly extended IMO but that may be the only place besides of course standard.  I see every standard deck running fetch lands come October.

instead of browbeat, burning inquiry draws 3 cards for   then discard 3 at random.  not the best but for most of the cards being replayable through Chandras endgame, might be better than browbeat.  it also hits your opponent making it disruption as well.  

heres a list I would possibly run like yours, just an experimental start all cheap quick effeicient burn

4 Chandra ablaze
4 rite of flame
4 chrome mox
4 simian spirit guide

4 lightning bolt
4 incinerate
4 fiery temper
4 burning iquiry
4 Shard Volley
4 Shrapnel Blast

10 mountains
2 keldon megaliths
4 Deserts
4  Great Furnace

since nothing costs double red except for chandra (the temper is comboed off inquiry for  )  16 3 damage spells and 4 5 pointers.  shrapnel blast  may not be the best there but you really only need one to hit after a bunch of 3's.  I run 4 chandras as it is imperative to draw 1 although you may win without her, she is a major factor.

if i remember correctly, One With Nothing discard you hand for  then draw one during EoT?

I agree totally

I think trading them in 1for1 is a great idea even if they just replrint the originals so if you have a totally beat lotus, you can pay a small fee and send it in for a freshly minted one.  I also thought that when Wizards offered orders for special cards in books at a limited price (ala Mana crypt) and number was a great idea.  They could easily revive that as an incentive tradeoff as well.
I really like the idea of an alternate art foil variant 

I dont think he will make any real splash in vintage unless a deck is created to abuse landfall like oboro/cobra/fast bond/glacial chasm.  Or combo fastbond/oboro/bloodghast/altar for a 35 point demon fire.  I really see this guy being a staple in New Zoo extended with Scythe Tiger eliminating his drawback.

   Good point.  I have been partly successful with the deck -- making prize most of the time but missing top 8 in most bigger events.  Could be my sideboard strategy is off.  My current SB i wanna run is a Zoo variant.  The last time i played the deck was a ptq late 2007 early 2008 because of Army training.  I realize a lot has changed over the last 18 months  . 

Bloodghast might really work.  combos nicely with Gargadon, especially if you play him- dsac him drop a sac land and sac bloodghast again then sac sacland and sac bloodghast a thrid time.  Could get crazy.  He is  and could fit well with the mana base.

I will look into cutting a target. with that I believe cutting 1 sphinx to leave 2 win conditions and also cutting one flame kin zealot for an inkwell leviathon as an alternate.  Also my build is short one card already so with cutting one of the drad return targets I will have 2 slots open.  Any suggestions there?  I am realy just hoping that Zendikar has one more great card that fits seamlessly into this deck at the 2 slot.  we will see soon enough.

  love it...   Bitter Stax

dread return sided out?  in my experience i never got rid of returns.. and they definately make the deck faster.  I just hate control and anything to do with it so FoW in dredge is blasphemy and i will never run it.  of course FoW dredge will lose to non FoW every time IMO. It might get a slightly better matchup vs combo but cuts down its high game one win percentage which is bad considering the hate.

I think it will impact vintage and legacy but nowhere else.  It seems really good to me as most players do EoT turn 1 stuff or try to combo off and oops, they are 2 mana short..  It will definately slow decks down and buy people time.

My bad. 
I have been testing it as well and the bloodghasts make mana dredge more ridiculous and I believe truly more consistent.   I am certain he will have a home there for sure as well as in various other zoo type decks in both extended and type 2.  I know i am running 4 of him in all versions of my dredge deck.

I did pretty much the same thing in playtests (my list is definately different).   Very happy with Bloodghast

I like the Mox in certain decks (goblins come to mind here) but not in my new experimental build using bloodghast as a second narc.  If anyone playtests any version of this, please let me know how well it does.  i appreciate all the opinions as well-- this thread got much more participation than I thought it would 

Original movie posters have watermark seals when they know that they will be worth something (IE Star Wars) and that isnt really expensive to do.  that or something similar to what they do for 100$ bills.  I think it could work if Wizards really wanted to pull it off. 

My original build ran 4 magus and looters and it was just way to slow and too easily disrupted by every deck with creature hate which is every deck in extended.    The current build wins turn 2 a lot.  turn 3 at the latest.  tome scour may not be the best but combo with at least one inquiry or goblin lore = gg a turn 2 lore usually wins and on the rare occasion it doesnt,  then turn 3 for sure.   hypnotist also died too easy and he was a wasted dread return slot,  rather return a win condition or a creature that draw 2-3 when entering play which basically is a win condition.