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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Sadistic Suicide (The most fun I've had in Vintage in ages) on: October 07, 2009, 04:36:09 pm
Oh I completely agree with you, like I said I just like it, never said it was the smartest or best way to play  Wink

On a side note you have a lot of 1 mana drops.  what would you say to dropping 2 duress for 2 hymns.  I think it could allow for more broken turn 1s

Black source
Rit
Duress/thoughtseize
Hymn

This is slightly less broken than first turn Sacrement, but god help them if they Force the Duress/Thoughtseize.

Just a thought.
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Sadistic Suicide (The most fun I've had in Vintage in ages) on: October 07, 2009, 04:07:11 pm
Oath would be wise to have Akroma in the board, perfect answer to a 20/20 indestructible black flyer =p

Nah you just need to play 1 or 2 "rite of consumpution"

You can now win on the turn you play the Dark Depths as well.

   You don't really need that either. 4 gatekeepers should become the sui-standard from here on out, and they kill Akroma.

I just like the Idea of this opening hand

Dark depths
Dark ritual
Black Lotus
Rite of consumption
Vampire hexmage
duress / thoughtseize

or cabal Ritual and no duress play.

I've goldfished this opening hand 6 times out of 28 opening hands with this deck.

Creatures
4 Dark Confidants
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
3 Vampire Hexmage

Sorcery and Instants
4 Dark Ritual
4 Sadistic Sacrament
1 Vamp. tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Night's Whisper
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Rite of Consumption

Artifacts
3 Null Rod
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Lotus Petal

Lands
3 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Bayou
3 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawmoth
2 Dark Depths

Sideboard:
2 Jailer
2 Ravenous trap
2 Jitte
3 Tarmogofy
2 Korsan Grips
2 Oxidize
2 Pernicious Deed
3  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Sadistic Suicide (The most fun I've had in Vintage in ages) on: October 07, 2009, 03:42:52 pm
Oath would be wise to have Akroma in the board, perfect answer to a 20/20 indestructible black flyer =p

Nah you just need to play 1 or 2 "rite of consumpution"

You can now win on the turn you play the Dark Depths as well.
4  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Zendikar Card Discussipn - Vampire Hexmage on: September 21, 2009, 12:39:04 pm

Well I like the idea of Sadistic Sacrament in a deck like this as the deck is easily capable of producing the BBB it requires (don't know if it should be a 4-of, though), but I think the deck should be even more combo orientated. I would cut out the Goyfs (good SB addition, though), Hymn (replaced by Duress) and Gatekeeper.
I'd much rather have Tendrils as an alternate win condition than creature beatdown.

I'm currently goldfishing a list that looks like this:

Draw:

4 Dark Confidant
1 Ancestral Recall
3 Night's Whisper
1 Necropotence

Tutoring:

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
3 Grim Tutor
2 Crop Rotation

Disruption:

4 Duress
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Hurkyll's Recall

Win:

1 Time Walk
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Vampire Hexmage
2 Dark Depths
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Mana:

4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Lotus Petal
1 Bayou
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
3 Underground Sea
2 Swamp

I like the deck, just not for me.  I don't like to play combo, I lean to more of a fishy style of play.

The original purpose of my deck was to abuse Sadistic Sacrament, In an Aggro/control sort of way.  When I saw these new cards and the interaction with Dark Depths, I liked this as a quicker kill than I had and sort of made it fit,  There is way more room for tweeking.

The gold fishes I have had have been very varied with turn three 20/20 attacks or turn 1 thought seize, Null Rod, Sad Sac.  Very varied hands and very powerful, but completely different routes to victory.

Any thoughts on the deck list, and I really want to of the GY hate cards from my SB in my main Sad not enough room.
5  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Zendikar Card Discussipn - Vampire Hexmage on: September 21, 2009, 11:57:17 am
I like this Idea a lot, I posted a list in the Sadistic Sacrament Thread, for a G/B control/aggro deck.  I thought I would post an updated list that includes more cards spoiled today.

Spells   
Sadistic Sacrament   4
Dark Ritual   4
ThoughtSeize   4
hymn to Tourach   3
Vampiric Tutor   1
Demonic Tutor   1
Crop Rotation   2
   
Artifacts   
Black Lotus   1
Mox Jet   1
Mox Emerald   1
Lotus Petal   1
Null Rod   3
   
Creatures   
Dark Confidant   4
Tormagoyf   3
Gatekeeper of Malakir   2
Vampire Hexmage   4
   
Land   
Bayou   4
Urbog,  Tomb of Yawgmoth   1
Verdant Catacombs   4
Bloodstained Mire   3
Swamp   2
stripmine   1
wasteland   3
Dark Depths   3
   
Sideboard   
Gatekeeper of Malakir   2
Ravenous Trap   4
choke   2
duress   1
Krosan Grip   3
pernicious deed   3
   
   75
6  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [New Card Discussion] Sadistic Sacrament on: September 18, 2009, 03:46:37 pm
Storm,

The Chokes were left in there from my first draft, they can probably go, the life from the loam was in there because I had one open slot and it just seemed to fit for me.  The Tomb stalkers at first glance look really anti synergistic with Tarmogoyf, and when my friend first suggested it I was like what!!!? however at least when goldfishing it seems to just work.  I run so many Sorceries that come out fast, and fetches that fill the yard along with waste/strip, that I can keep at least one of each type of card for Goyf.

Against fish a 5/5 flyer can be a pain for them to deal with, they do have removal, but if I see this guy in my hand I might just target that removal first.

Oh I remember I put chokes in for anti blue fish, and Tez based deck, and to have an enchantment that could hit the yard for Goyf.

I also thought of more tendrils, but I just veer more to Agro/Fish than to Combo.
7  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [New Card Discussion] Sadistic Sacrament on: September 18, 2009, 02:42:25 pm
Hi everyone,
    I have been reading these boards for years now and never really participated in any way, However Storm asked how to use this card in a deck, I have built a BG deck that I think Uses the card very well. I'm just throwing it out there for general consumption.

Thanks,

Sad Sac

Spells   
Sadistic Sacrament   4
Dark Ritual   4
ThoughtSeize   4
hymn to Tourach   4
Vampiric Tutor   1
Demonic Tutor   1
Life from the loam   1
choke   2
   
Artifacts   
Black Lotus   1
Mox Jet   1
Mox Emerald   1
Lotus Petal   1
Null Rod   3
   
Creatures   4
Dark Confidant   4
Tormagoyf   2
Gatekeeper of Malakir   2
tombstalkers   
   
Land   
Bayou   4
Urbog,  Tomb of Yawgmoth   1
Verdant Catacombs   4
Bloodstained Mire   3
Forest   1
Swamp   2
stripmine   1
wasteland   4
   
Sideboard   
Gatekeeper of Malakir   2
Leyline of the Void   4
choke   2
duress   1
Krosan Grip   3
pernicious deed   3
   
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