Thats what I figured, but I was also told a lot of it was liquidated. With being able to add the credit to your account and then use it online it works out fairly well anyway.

I can write up a quick mini-report on my matches if there is interest, I spent most of the day today on I-5 so I haven't had a chance. My day was kind of odd anyway, lost round 1, won 2, won 3, lost 4, BYE 5 into 8th place, Won first round of T8, then we spit.

Mine got a phonecall before top 8.

It was a fun day. THe only slop was that 125 credit --> 60 cash conversion, which was a bit harsh considering they had exactly zero older cards in their case. Can't hold that against them though, they have to do the best to serve the larger portion of their market. They did however have all the foils I asked for in the back, and all the staple dredge stuff that my teammate Pat needed. So it worked out well in the end.

For reference, Andrew Beldin = HuntedWumpus, so Jeff was playing against UG fish in the pics. Matt Nass played BUG fish.

As always, thanks to Lotushead for pics and report.

Looking forward to it; Myself +1 confirmed, hopefully +2.

EDIT:

Fun as always.

Personally I have abandoned my ritual/drain builds for now, I believe that ANT or TPS has more of a competitive edge in the current environment. That aside, have you thought about splashing green for Fastbond/Regrowth/(Gush)? My rational here is that it gives you another fairly powerful set of tools since you are missing a few bombs due to lack of cards. I have found that I generally prefer the red splash to the green splash (in drain tendrils that is), however in your situation I think you could benefit from green.

If you are going to stay with a red splash I would consider dropping the tinker/Phatty for a Empty the Warrens, it free up a card slot. Both are fairly unimpressive without Timewalk.

I would run a lotus petal.

Massive props to Justin and the SoCal folks for a great tournament and a great day.

Props to Rob for drunken-prophesying Pats topdeck explosives to handle the double dryad goyf onslaught. I think that was the biggest laugh of the night.


It's always great to make a trip down to SoCal to hang with the whole gang, we look forward to more DMF events.

Two Vintage events in California on the same weekend, gasp!

Im definitely making the trip down to Tustin for the Dear Mr. Fantazy on Saturday, maybe I can convince a few of them to drive up. Hopefully these two events don't cannibalize to much attendance, though with a day apart it should be fine.

I +1 will be there for sure. Driving from Santa Cruz.

Looking forward to it.

70% chance I +1 will be attending. Looking forward to it, gotta love the DMF crowd.

The Superstars calendar shows a 10 Proxy Legacy 1k going at noon, so I kind of doubt it. However I am not sure, anyone have confirmation?

I would think that Oath would probably do pretty well. Even without the moxen oath is going to provide a very fast strategy while enabling you to have some counter-magic for the larger "bombs" that may be getting played turn 3+ in an unpowered meta. I myself have never really played in a unpowered meta am not entirely sure what you are going to be facing, I would think that you are probably going to see some tribal decks; goblins, elves, slivers (oh god), ect because those decks can be made fairly powerful when you have access to the larger cardpool. Other strategies that I can think offf the top of my head would be the effective legacy decks (see themanaleak or thesource). I would also thing you are going to see some modified decks from whatever your local T2 meta looks like.

Really, just shouting stuff off the top of my head, if you don't like the idea of Oath you could look into "Re-animator." The virtue of that would be the toolbox of cards you have to reanimate. Having a toolbox style build can certainly be useful if your walking into a unknown swarm of decks.

Welcome back, good luck.

I was happy to see Sam make the finals with sligh; it was fairly neat considering how the days started.

Sam: "Anyone have an extra vintage deck" to mostly empty room at superstars an hour before the event started.

Me: "Yah"

I had an extra Bomberman, for my friend who couldn't make it at the last minute, as well as the Sligh build that James Lee had played at the TMD Open (-1 fanatic + 1 chalice). Sam, being what appeared to be a bit disgusted with the idea of Bomberman went for Sligh.

Props to both the finalists.

These are always great; hopefully I can bring 1-2 others with me.

Is this on for this week?

excellent news.

Oh man... that would be crazy.

I should be in San Diego for this, sweet.

Lots of great info, and a perfect length.

Though I'm still running my duress effects in the main I really like the comment about being able to fetch Island after Island with a Blue heavy build.

Thanks for the insights.

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Very strong tweak Jaco.

Though I'm still unconvinced that SP is entirely better than previous Drain Tendrilsesq engines. Especially if you're running main board Duress effects. It seems to me that the goal with SP is to have a solid turn one play to start loading the Graveyard and Keeping the card quality of your hand high. However, take the generic scenario where I'm playing against and unknown deck and opponent. I would rather fire my duress at his hand turn one to start establishing control, then be ready to have mana drain on line the following turn. So I'm not sure I'm comfortable with casting sorcery cantrip so early. Any thoughts on this?

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I agree completely with that.

Good luck, if you have any Mac specific questions feel free to PM, I know the OS and hardware fairly well.

I would swap your Hypnotic's for Withered Wretch. You already have plenty of hand disruption from the duress/hymn, while adding wretch is going to give you graveyard hate in the maindeck, adding an entirely new element to the build. In doing so you may be able to steal some game 1's where you would have otherwise struggled. Furthermore, Wretch is just generally a good card to have on the table in vintage since so many archetypes have at least some interaction with the graveyard.

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I disagree. One of the longterm advantages to nethervoid as a deck is that the deck construction is fairly simple, and lending itself to being consistent enough that you don't to sacrifice "business" slots for additional search cards. That's one of the virtues about void, at least in my mind; it packs a lot of business and keeps the clock moving.

Had a great time, hopefully more to come! Perhaps next time I wont scrub out and go 3-2.

Thanks for the hospitality and great atmosphere.

-Andrew

I changed my Win condition in 3CC from Tinker/DSC and Decree to Tinker/Plat and Decree.

I has been an improvement for sure. Yes, sometimes it is just a speed bump, but for control that may be all you need. In fact often... that may be all you need.

Okay, So after scrubbing out at Eudemonia last weekend (due in part to being new there, not playing for a year, some play errors, and an interior build), I’ve taken the week to reflect on the deck and test some changes.  I believe I’ve come up with a pretty non-standard build, taking innovations from control players far greater than myself, and including changes, which I believe make the build very reslient.

Mana(23)
5 Moxen
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
2 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
2 Tundra
3 Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

I really really wanted strip mine, but other than that I think this is pretty standard. I defiantly found myself in situations where I wished I could hit a strip in the past, so for now keeping it included. I’m not a huge fan of Petal in control, so I cut it in nearly all my lists, which also makes getting both a strip and LoA in easier. Pretty standard, pretty safe, moving on.

Draw/Search/Tutor(16)
4 Brainstorm
3 Skeletal Scrying
2 Deep Analysis
2 Dark Confidant
2 Cunning Wish
1 Demonic tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall

After reading the 4cc thread by MaxxMatt, and seeing him in action at Eudemonia, I was very impressed with the potential that Dark Confidant holds. However, I wasn’t comfortable with having him as a primary draw source, especially with a fair amount of fishies still flopping around. With respect to deep analysis, I never see this getting run anymore, but I find it to be a suitable drain sink, and pretty good long term choice.

Disruption/Countermagic(11)
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
3 Duress

Moving on?

Board Control(4)
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Balance

Engineered Explosives? Yes. Its good against oath, fish, a random Empty the Warrens, and I’ve busted combo by for blowing it for 0. It can be played proactively, or be a pretty solid answer to a fish that came out strong in the first two turns. Whateva? I like the utility it brings, especially to game 1.

Broken(3)
1 Time Walk
1 Mindtwist
1 Yawgmoth’s Will

Yep.

Win(3)
1 Tinker
1 Platinum Angel
1 Decree of Justice.

I think Platinum might not be the right choice, but It certainly synergizes well with dark confidant. It certainly isn’t bad turn 1 tinker against combo or Belcher…

Anyway. It’s by no means a final list, but I just thought I would toss it out there for critique.

With respect to Repeal...

How do you find this working. Admittedly for 1 and  and even the what I find to be the more common 2, Repeal is fairly good. I Had basically dropped out of the format for awhile so I didn't even know the thing existed until I saw this list and had to look it up. However I often find myself holding onto this thing and just pitching it for FoW, which I guess isn't that poor of a fate for a bounce effect with an attached cantrip. I suppose in the build presented at the top, you play four so you can get this off on an early EoT to created some tempo control, with the added benefit of a late to mid game easy option for board control? Or am I just going about this the wrong way. I've cut down to two and been messing around with some other choices for the remaining two slots. However, I suppose I should take into account that I am playing in a very "Dork" heavy meta so choices like Engineered Explosives have been working well, as well as a Darkblast in the board. I suppose I am wondering what lead you to run four of these if by above Assumption was incorrect. My apologies if I am totally off base, I really haven't played other than very casually in over a year. Im Just now finishing up some testing this week for an upcoming event.

Tog was never dead, you cant "Kill" it because it is a deck based around resilience and adaptability to any situation, the reason it was not seeing play was because its harder matches were more present in the meta, furthermore it's not particularly easy to play, sometimes requiring some "ball out" plays; however it loves to capitalize on the opponents errors.

Exactly.

I would look for more players dusting off the togs and bringing them out. My reasoning behind this apparent lack of dominant Manadrain deck looking at the full meta. If I can't decide, I just play tog, or often I choose it because of its strengths.

Now, it also must be asserted that the additional use of tendrils is amazing and adds a new level to the deck. I am curious to see what turn he has built enough to tendril off, or if its just another yawg will win. I thing that I am going to run 1 Tinker/Dsc and 1 Tendrils and maybe 1 tog, (def 1 in the board) as my win condition now.

I've been playing tog lately due to it's amazing resilience to most decks. This is a awesome build, gratz on a job well done at the tourney, and to a very very innovative list. Lastly I would like to 2nd Smmenen's comment.

Well done bro for piloting this all the way through.

Hey guys! That was really great day. Gratz on the success I will be at the next one again for sure.

I played tog which worked okay (2-2-1) considering I had not tested/changed the deck in about 6 months since I last played magic. My only complaint about the event, and I swear this is true . . . I NEVER saw a force of will in my opening hand all day. However it all balanced out, sort of anyway, because I successfully Mind Twisted 6 hands away without ever tutoring for it. Weird. Anyway this was a great event, with a good turnout for the first try. Congratz to all the winners and organizers, looking forward to the next one.

This first event went over really well. MAD PROPS to Lunar and the rest of the gang for getting this off the ground. I was also very impressed at the strong SoCal gang that came up to represent. At any rate, looking forward to the next one and thanks for putting this on. Very Well done!

For the reasons already mentioned there is really no reason at all to play Shahrazad in a burn deck. You are doing two things to the deck that are entirely against the idea of a burn deck.

1) Burn deck are designed to draw EXTREMELY consistently. They do this by having a simple game plan with many redundant cards, rather all the cards in the deck essentially perform the same function of dealing direct damage to a target, or "punishing" the opponent for advancements in board position or hand size. Adding Shahrazad complicates a game plan that does better in the simple form.

2) Unbreakably hard mana base. Why would you want to try and crack it.

If you are looking for a  high damage card that is not used enough, IMO, though i haven't really tested burn thoroughly enough recently to really say; try shrapnel Blast. Between the artifact lands, and blowing up and ankh or scroll/scepter that has already done its job you should not have a problem being short of a target to sac.

Giving Serious consideration to going. I really need some magic. Long drive though.