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Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: [Premium Article] The Ages of Magic and the Future of the Game
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on: June 05, 2010, 02:51:52 pm
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I want to make two points that I think are valid here:
1) The vintage community in general seems to focus more on prize support than any other group of Magic players I've been around.
I think this may be a case of mistaking cause for effect. That is, does the Vintage community focus more on prize support because Vintage players -- as a species - care more about that, or is it because Vintage players are older, and older players care more about that? I think it's the latter. There is a market ga, and I try to marshal all of the available evidence to make this case, by comparing various data points. Vintage players discuss prize pools more because prize pools typically need to be more dynamic. Players in other formats tend to be quite content with large piles of boosters from the newest set: sets that may at best contain 3 cards (often times common nonetheless) relevant cards to the vintage metagame. Not only do I often find myself giving away my entire deck when I play ROE Draft (or leaving it on the table--which I consider giving it to the masses), I am not really satisfied playing with thousands of dollars worth of deck for a chance to win a shot at a $40 Gideon. Playing for cash is still a questionable thing for me, since spending 6 hours of utmost focus devoted to MTG pays out far less than half-assing my job for the afternoon, but, bartenders are a lot more open to cash than walking up to them with a binder and asking if they have 'trade.'
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Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: Bloodghasted Ichorid Primer- Looking to the future
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on: May 26, 2010, 11:32:25 pm
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The argument over Fatestitchers vs. Ichorids post-board stems from two distinct strategies: with Fatestitchers, the idea is that you get a one turn opening, dredge your heart out and establish enough of a board (or cast enough Cabal Therapies) to finish the game--compared to the other idea that by Dredging a little and using Bloodghasts and Ichorids you can provide enough of a threat to draw threats like Rav Trap and Relics, then you start again. Arguments exist for both strategies, but at the end of the day 'Finding your Moment' (characterized by Fatestitchers) tends to work better against fast combo decks like TPS, and 'Partial Dredging' (Characterized by Ichorids) tends to work better against aggro decks with varied boards.
Leyline screws everything, but lends itself better to the 'wait for the moment' approach, unfortunately, 4x Leyline tends to only represent about 25% of decks out there. Now, since the big three (excluding Dredge itself) are Noble Fish, MUD and Oath, all of which typically stay off Leylines because of the lack of black (except for some MUD's, but the pile of Sphere effects makes it nigh impossible to sac your warm bodies anyway), in very loose statistical terms, the partial dredging strategy tends to be a safer bet.
A closer look at recent top 8's on Morphling also suggests that decks more towards Manaless Ichorid (I include the 'Turtle Dredge's described by Matt Elias in his articles in this class) on the dredge spectrum have been fairing better than the Power Dredging fatestitcher builds.
Below is a list of all the Top 8 Dredge sightings listed on Morphling.de and their respective Ichord/Fatestitcher counts. I also included the land count, since it is often reflective of the deck's overall strategy.
May Dredge Results from Morphling.de
Matt Hornoung—Rank 2—3x Ichorid (+1 SB), 13x Land Michael Knight—Rank 3—4x Ichorid, 2x Fatestitcher, 14x Land Gerwin Ruijterkamp—Rank 2—3x Fatestitcher, 15x Land Abel Planting—Rank 5—4x Ichorid, 8x Land (Pure Manaless) Tom Dale—Rank 1—2x Ichorid (+1 SB), 12x Land (Turtle)
(None of the above involved proper casting like Breakthrough)
April Dredge Results from Morphling.de
Marco Deligos—Rank 1—2x Ichorid , 10x Land (Turtle) Sam Berse—Rank 1—2x Ichorid (+1 SB), 13x Land (Turtle) Ryan DuBois—Rank 3—2x Ichorid (+1 SB), 13x Land (Turtle) Tucker Foster—Rank 7—2x Ichorid, 2x Fatestitcher, 15x Land (Cephalid Col) Daniel Scherer—Rank 4—2x Ichorid, 3x Fatestitcher, 15x Land
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Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: Bloodghasted Ichorid Primer- Looking to the future
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on: May 26, 2010, 04:07:06 pm
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I want to know what everyone thinks is the best 60 card list for GAMES TWO AND THREE.
I think for this to be productive we need to be more specific. I board quite differently if I am on the play or on the draw (ex: Chalice and Unmask are wicked on the play and only viable on the draw against certain decks). Also, my choices are radically different against Leylines than against a spread like 1 Yixlid, 2 Crpyt, 2 Relic etc. How do we board blind--if we have no inkling of what they are putting in game 2? Not to mention--are we siding for a Dredge mirror? Oath? Stacks? Each one of the above factors significantly affects any sideboard decisions.
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Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: Bloodghasted Ichorid Primer- Looking to the future
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on: May 25, 2010, 02:43:14 pm
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In the last twenty tournament matches I have played with non-Sharuum dredge, I have never lost a game in which I resolved a Dread Return. It may increase the win percentage on game one from 95% to 98%, but winning tournaments with Dredge is all about games 2 and 3, where Sharuum is at an obvious disadvantage.
This is just my empirical two cents--and an echo for everyone saying Dredge players need to focus on dealing with post-board games.
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