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1  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Magic Online is an Abomination on: June 30, 2014, 06:15:29 am
Think of it as completely starting over.  Try playing in the new player room for a few days to get used to the interface.  Then work up to casual and tournament practice before playing anything for money.  Misclicking is the worst, but it will go away.  Not entirely - watch LSV's recent VMA draft on Channel Fireball.  He accidentally mulls his hand in one game.  Or watch any Conley Woods draft video ever - he misclicks everything.  That doesn't make it feel any better, but know that with practice it happens much, much less.  And all the non-intuitive aspects of the program get better, too.  You learn to tap your Workshop and Ancient Tomb correctly so you can cast your spell and activate your ability.  You learn to stack Tangle Wire's triggers so you remove the counter first.  Don't worry - you'll mess both of those up at some point.  Just like all the weird quirky interactions in Magic itself that you learned, you learn the stupid quirks of the terrible program.  Just expect to be a beginner all over again for a little while.  It's frustrating because you know how to play the game, you just don't know how to play it this way. 
I've only played paper Magic a handful of times since 1995.  If you gave me a pile of paper cards and asked me to sift through them after casting Demonic Tutor, shuffle them by hand, try to be aware of what step the game was on, try to calculate Tarmogoyf's P/T, pick up a pen and write down a life total and then put it down again, remember if I had played a land yet after casting a bunch of spells, remember that those two pennies are both 1/1's and that die set to six is six more 1/1's, ask you what you named with Revoker, etc etc etc, I'd get so overwhelmed and frustrated.  Because I know how to play the game, I just don't know how to play it that way.  So yeah the program is terrible but after a while you just get used to it.  Just be patient.     
2  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Magic Online Vintage Dailies Results on: June 28, 2014, 01:13:31 am
That guy montolio hardly loses with MUD.  Wish I could be playing.  I'm only 2 of 9 powered so far (and I can't play during the day anyway).

There's several reasons Andy is so good with shops.

1) He's a great player.
2) Shops wasn't that much different when it was Classic, and he's played eleventy-million prize-on-the-line games with shops.  Cause online let's you do that instead of once a week.
3) The third reason is a not-so secret and involves an unfair advantage totally unavoidable by his opponents

3) Foils topdeck better?
3  Eternal Formats / Eternal Article Discussion / Re: SMIP Podcast # 36: Conspiracy and Vintage Masters on: June 25, 2014, 03:59:12 am
I'm interested in when you recorded it, since you didn't mention prices of Power 9 on the podcast (and since they've been jumping around but starting to settle in the past few days).  I would have liked to hear a discussion on your thoughts on how reasonable the current prices are (approx: Lotus 250, Ancestral 100, Time Walk 75, Sapphire 100, other Moxes 75, Timetwister 25).  I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the infant Vintage Online meta, what you think about Wizards pushing the long Premier Events over the 4-round Dailies, where you see the meta going, and your experiences playing online so far, if you have started.
4  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: VINTAGE on Magic Online is announced!!! on: June 15, 2014, 05:44:33 am
This is unfolding even better than I expected.   Prices are slowly falling on everything. 


Slowly?  This is the most massive price crash I have seen in 5 years of playing MTGO.  Force of Will was 70-100 (depending on version) when it was announced as being in VMA three or four weeks ago.  It's now 20-30.  Insane.  The set isn't even officially released yet in the store.  It's only been 2 days of drafting.  Cards will be worth one price when you start the draft and less when you are done.  I've never seen MTGO move this fast, and it's a really really really liquid market. 

For those not familiar with MTGO price trends, lowest prices are usually during the last weekend of release events - so about 2 weeks from now.  Cards will stay low while the set is in print (all summer), but there will be waves of "the set isn't profitable to draft" as prices drop too low.  Then people will buy the singles and prices will creep back up and drafts will fire again, rinse and repeat.     

Anyone who has even the slightest interest in Vintage Online should buy in within the next few weeks while prices are rock bottom. 
5  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Vintage is now on Magic Online on: June 13, 2014, 03:24:34 am
We've got one guy over on Classic Quarter showing off a full set of Power Nine on day 2.  And I saw a post here saying someone just did it as well (if it's not the same person).  If it's doable and affordable before the packs are even in the store, it's going to be totally possible in a few months if not weeks.  Now just don't look at the price of Wasteland...

VMA drafts start in about 12 hours!  Can't wait!!!
6  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Vintage is now on Magic Online on: June 11, 2014, 06:41:37 pm
I'm currently playing in the very first Vintage constructed event on Magic Online!

It's in name only at this point though.  Vintage Masters packs aren't in the store yet and the prerelease drafts don't start until Friday - so nobody has power yet.  But the 2-man and 8-man queues and the Vintage and Legacy constructed events are giving out VMA packs as prizes.  

People must be cracking the packs because someone is already selling a Black Lotus for 250 in the classifieds.

Welcome to the future!  The worldwide Vintage playerbase just got a whole lot bigger.
7  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: VINTAGE on Magic Online is announced!!! on: November 05, 2013, 01:24:39 am
I understand the resistance to coming online, so I won't try to convince anybody.  You guys have spent thousands on paper cards already.  I have no paper cards, but I've spent thousands on MTGO.  It would take a lot for me to go the other way.

Re: digital objects not being "real:"  Sorry guys, but it's 2013.  My iTunes library is just as real as my vinyl records.  My digital photos are just as real as my negatives.  The software I bought to manipulate those things is just as real as my cameras.

I can't even sell my iTunes or digital photos, but I could sell my MTGO collection for cash if I wanted.  My MTGO collection is the third most expensive thing I own - behind my car and my computer.  The MTGO collection may not always be worth that much, but then neither will the car or the computer.  I guess you don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but digital things are real.  It really is an argument that has been argued and digital has won.

I am glad that everyone here recognizes that Vintage Online is a good thing for Vintage, whether they believe in digital objects or not.  I'm excited to see how it affects paper tournaments, paper prices, if any new paper players come along, how many paper players come online, etc.  The paper and digital metagames will definitely affect each other.  Even if you don't play online in the future, you will have to stay aware of the Vintage Online metagame, because it will show up in paper for sure.  I'm sorry I won't be able to play all of you veterans personally, but somebody will copy my tech and bring it to a paper tournament so I'll be there in spirit.

Oh, and MTGO isn't going anywhere.
8  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: VINTAGE on Magic Online is announced!!! on: October 22, 2013, 04:01:52 am
Regarding MODO cards like Mishra's Workshop and Underground Sea: Are they not going to be "reprinted" from time to time? I'm not familiar with how Magic Online releases cards. Is it similar to paper Magic in that certain sets such as Masters Editions are available only for a limited time?

Yes, the sets are only for sale in the online store for a limited time.  For Standard sets this mirrors paper.  For pre-MTGO blocks (Mirage - Masques) they weren't consistent about it at all.  Packs don't really get cracked online though (the cards are so cheap, you lose money if you just open your packs), so new cards really only enter the system through drafting.  Again, the Standard sets come and go with their paper counterparts.  All of the old blocks starting with Mirage were draftable for six months or more straight at one time, then were retired.  The old blocks return from time to time, usually for a week.  This has changed a lot over the years, but their current strategy is to have one "throwback" block draftable during the week when a new Standard set has come out in paper but hasn't been released online yet.  So that means we are currently only getting 4 "throwback" drafts a year.  And they aren't always particularly old sets.  The last three I remember were: RGD when Theros came out, ROE when M14 came out, and SHM when Dragon's Maze came out.  I remember a week of Masques around Christmas and some Masters Edition around Thanksgiving.  Earlier stuff like TSE or MVW used to be fairly frequent, but I seriously can't remember the last time those came around.  2011 maybe?  So rares (and uncommons like Wasteland) from those sets have climbed steadily up in price over the past few years.

TLDR: Yes, they can get more cards into the system through specialty drafts, but they have been very very stingy about it for the last couple years.  This may change in the next six months with them promoting Vintage, and of course prices will be affected by whatever is reprinted in Vintage Masters.
9  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: VINTAGE on Magic Online is announced!!! on: October 22, 2013, 01:18:39 am
Can't Wait!

I'm an online-only player and I just lurk on TMD since I can't play real Vintage (I am very active in Classic online, which is Vintage with no P9 and a different restricted list).

But, I recommend getting on MTGO now if you are interested.  Prices are only going to go up.  If you are brand new, expect to spend $1000 or so to get the staples.  Most cards are way cheaper!  Workshop $28.  Time Vault $5.  Force of Will is $100 though.  Sorry.  But if it gets reprinted in Vintage Masters, it will go down.  

You really do get used to the clunky interface and just focus on the game after not too long.  Besides, you'll want to know its quirks before playing for money
For Example:
tap workshop for 3 workshop mana, cast skullclamp for 1, tap ancient tomb for 2 regular mana, equip skullclamp for 1 to kill an x/1 and draw two cards, cast a 2-drop, OOPS MTGO just automatically used your regular mana for that when you meant to use your workshop mana... you now have 1 workshop mana floating and you can't equip skullclamp again. womp womp.

This will really accelerate changes in the Vintage metagame (the Affinity list that recently showed up in Vintage came from a MTGO Classic list that is the deck to beat).  MTGO currently has 2 or 3 Classic 4-round Swiss tournaments a day.  About one of those fires a week (events only fire if they reach the minimum 16 players).  With the initial excitement when Vintage launches, I would expect 10-15 tournaments a week firing for the first few weeks (especially if prize support is good), and tapering off after that.  I'm not sure how it will affect you paper guys.  It depends on how many of you come online and/or follow what's happening Online.  MTGO might just be its own separate metagame.  

Welcome to MTGO!  I can't wait to post here as a real Vintage player!  
10  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Sound Off: How many of you will be playing Vintage online? on: December 13, 2012, 12:56:06 am
As an online-only player for a few years now, I encourage you guys to come on board!  I haven't been very active lately, but I'll be back for Vintage - probably before that, actually.  MTGO is more social than you think if you get involved in message boards, articles, podcasts, clans, player-run tournaments, and the like.  I tend to know the real names behind every screen name I play, know what type of deck they prefer, and even know something about their personal lives. 

Stephen, I respect your opinions on Vintage so much, but MTGO's economy is a complex beast.  It is absolutely not as simple as WOTC "pressing a button."  The whims of the players determine the prices, and even if WOTC did press that button to reduce prices, they would self-correct over time.

Wizards has to make money off the packs they sell and the events they run.  In eternal formats, they need the cards to be expensive for that to happen.  Whenever, for example, Tempest block drafts come around (old format drafts are available online from time to time), players flock to them because of the chance to open a $30 Wasteland, $7 Lotus Petal, or an $11 Intuition.  If Wizards were to reprint these cards into oblivion, the occasional week of drafts wouldn't fire (just look up the complaints of the non-profitable OLS drafts earlier this year - online players don't draft these sets for the fun of it, they draft for the EV).  So they couldn't run the drafts and the prices of cards would creep up.   

Leaving the cards always available isn't an option either.  Non-standard draft formats live by the temporary excitement they produce.  In 2010 and 2011, Urza block drafts were available for almost a year.  They got to the point where you could sit in the queue by yourself for an hour and no one else would join.  This even with $10 rares and $1 commons to open.  It just wasn't an exciting or promoted format.  It was just there. 

I'm 100% with you that they should reprint Force of Will (they currently are not because of a "promise" they made in a long-lost message board post not to reprint it in a Masters Edition set).  Hopefully it will be in whatever set the Power 9 are in.  But like Danger said, Master's Edition 1 packs have been available in drafts for a week or two a year, and even with another hundred or so entering the system during those weeks, its price does not fluctuate.  It really does need to be in a set that is available for an extended length of time.     

Sorry, I got into some nitty-gritty jargon-y MTGO details, but I just wanted to explain that it is a real economy with real value to the digital things you buy.  It's got all the ups and downs of any market and nobody, not even WOTC, has full control of it. 

But I hope you guys will join up and explore it on your own.  We've got a great Classic community and we've been waiting for years to turn it into a Vintage community.  More players means more events firing and more notice from WOTC and a more exciting experience all around.

And, yes, now is the time to buy in.  Prices online change fast.  If Vintage gets any sort of buzz or popularity, all of these cards will shoot up. 

And if you're still hung up on the price of Force of Will, just look at any other Vintage staple and see how much you're coming out ahead.  $15 Mishra's Workshops, $18 Mana Drains, $3 Time Vaults.
And if you're still not cool with one expensive card, just look at the Classic players who play with exclusively foil decks ($295 Force of Wills).
11  Eternal Formats / General Strategy Discussion / Re: Vintage Videos Thread on: November 18, 2011, 10:10:47 pm
Wow, you have to keep track of your own life totals and counters on those free programs?  I'm so sorry.. you guys are playing in the stone age.  And I thought MTGO had a bad interface.  I hope Power 9 comes to Magic Online soon!
12  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / 2011 Vintage Champs at Gen Con on: August 06, 2011, 01:25:57 am
Is there any archived video up yet from today's Vintage champs?  I want to watch it!
I guess I'd settle for a tournament report, but I'd rather have video.

13  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Classic Magic Online eternal on: June 12, 2011, 04:42:05 pm
Hi guys, I lurk on your board from time to time and thought I'd finally make an account.  I play Classic on Magic Online and I'm trying to spread the word.  I thought that maybe you guys don't know about it, or maybe have misconceptions about it.  I'm a terrible salesperson, but I'm gonna try to pitch it.  I don't know how much you guys know about mtgo, so sorry if you know some of the basics.

Classic is Magic Online's eternal format where nothing is banned.  There's a 19-card restricted list.  Right now the top decks are Workshop, Oath, Fish, and Dredge.  Jacerator, Storm, Hermit Druid, Landstill, and Gush Bond also make appearances.

Magic Online still doesn't have all of the pre-Invasion cards.  We are still missing Masques block and about 800 pre-Mirage and Portal cards.  We have Misrha's Workshop, Tolarian Academy, Library of Alexandria (as a 4x), all the duals (still in print for the next 2 weeks), Time Vault, Mana Crypt, Imperial Seal, Bazaar of Baghdad, etc.  At this point the only relevant cards we are missing from the early days are -- here it comes -- the Power 9.

Now, I asked about promoting Classic to you guys on Classic Quarter (our main website) and the response I got was "if it doesn't have Power 9, Vintage players aren't going to play."  If that's the case, then that's that.  But here's where I'm going to try to sell it.  I want you to think of Classic not as the Vintage minor leagues, but as a different eternal format altogether.  I'm sure many of you play Legacy and maybe are interested in Modern if that happens.  Just as those are different eternal formats with different strategies and decks, so is Classic.  

Classic has a restricted list, which mirrors that of Vintage except it is much smaller.  We have 4x of Brainstorm, Burning Wish, Fact or Fiction, Gifts Ungiven, Library of Alexandria, Lion's Eye Diamond, Lotus Petal, Memory Jar, Merchant Scroll, Mind's Desire, Mystical Tutor, Ponder, Regrowth, Windfall, and Yawgmoth's Bargain.  We play turn 1 Oaths, we Tinker up robots, we Tezz up Time Vaults.  Broken plays happen every turn - our Storm decks could take yours any day of the week.    

There is so much room for innovation in Classic.  Our scene is pretty small, maybe 50 regular players, and probably less than half of them innovate and create new decks.  That's why people like me lurk on your boards sometimes - looking for new tech we can adapt to our metagame.  There are tons of new decks to be created or improved upon.  Even though we have 4 Brainstorms and Merchant Scrolls, nobody has figured out how to win with Gush Bond yet.  Four Mind's Desires and nobody is playing them.  People were trying out a Liliana's Caress deck with our four Memory Jars but couldn't make it work.  We need more experienced eternal players online to up the level of play and push the meta forward.

We have an event every day.  Here's when they are (times are Pacific): Sun 3:30pm, Mon 7:30pm, Tue 4:30am, Wed 3:30pm, Thu 7:30pm, Fri 4:30am, Sat 9:30am.  These are 16 or more players, 4-round swiss events.  For now it's a fixed schedule, but in the past it has rotated and we've had occasional Premier events.  I'm sure the schedule and tournament structure will change in the future, but this is it for now.

Cards are super cheap online.  Imperial Seal is $4.  Bazaar is $8.50.  Tabernacle is $3.75.  The exceptions to this rule are Force of Will at $150 and Daze at $10.  Force of Will is our current crisis, but Daze will come down when it's properly released whenever Masques block comes online.  

Everyone seems to agree that Vintage will come online sooner or later.  The current theory is that they are waiting to release version 4 of mtgo first.  If you think you'd be interested in playing Vintage online someday, now is the time to buy in because the cards will shoot up when it does come online.  When Legacy came online last year, all of the card prices went up so I'm sure it will happen with Vintage, too.  Even if you don't think you are interested in Classic, just as a general tip, for the next two weeks they are having farewell events for Masters Edition 4.  All of the pre-Mirage cards are going to be at rock bottom prices.    

So Classic is super fun and we need more players!  That's the basics of it.  Here are some links:

Classic Quarter, home sweet home - http://www.classicquarter.com  
Classic Quarter's tournament page with decklists - http://www.classicquarter.com/tournaments/
Yawgmoth's Soap Opera, weekly Classic podcast - http://puremtgo.com/node/4200
Penguin TV, deck tech and videos - http://puremtgo.com/articles/penguin-tv-turbo-tezz
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