Well nothing really to say, just check the link....

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=events/magic/vintagechamps

Effang i think you misunderstood the Sundering Titan issue.
True your oponnent will loose a lot of lands in the welding process, but if the Titan is our ONLY creature it dosn't really matter. The exception is if you plays Blessing, but at the given time we discussed which creatures should be the base of the deck, it was close to an agreement that it wasn't needed, now we may have to reevaluate that.

Mickey DP

Chalice is also one of the reason that Cunning Wish would be good as it could just get you a Oxidize.

Mickey DP

So which creatures would we choose to run?
So far the options is:

- Cognivore
- Darksteel Colossus
- Sundering Titan
- Morphling
- Spike Weaver
- Spike Feeder

I think that most of us agrees that the old Weaver/Feeder/Morphling version is the wrong direction for the deck, they are simply not worth it.
Some people are for the Cognivore, some more likes the Collossus.
The question so far seems if we really think its worth running Blessing or not. The Problem with the Cognivore is that it can killed by Stp, Reb, Crypt and any other artifact hate. Also it can be chumped by stupid small fliers.

The Collosus obvious problem is that its really weak to one of the most common creatures, Goblin Welder.

Sundering Titan seems Nice, at least as a Sideboard plan.
The fact that Sundering Titan both is big and help destroying your opponents mana base (which he desperatly needs in his search for answers)  is quite apelling. The problem just is that we cant rely only on the Titan as it is far too easy to kill (and weld in and out).

Mickey DP

Excactly, what we need to do is focusing on the Control and Combo matchup. We can disrupt combo quite easly with the help of CoV and Rod.
Besides that my version had 12 counters aginst combo, this matchup should be a steal, but need to be tested thought.

Control needs testing, but it shouldnt be that hard.

Mickey DP

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Hey I think that we all agree that the Factories is not a part of the new strategy. Therefore we should maybe try to devolp the deck instead of discussing why the factories were there in the first place

As i said before im not sure if the Chills are any good, anyone who has actually tested some of the common matchups?

Mrdark

Hey Everyone!

First of all i would like to point out that this is my first post on TMD.
Furthermore i live in Denmark, so i apologize for bad spelling.

Now lets look at my decklist:


Kill: 5

4 Oath of Druids
1 Cognievore

Counters: 15

4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Mana Leak
3 Misdirection

The rest of the instans: 16

4 Brainstorm
4 AK
3 Intuition
2 Cunning Wish
1 Krosan Reclamation
1 Time Walk ( Well its not an instant, but who cares?)
1 Ancestral Recall

Mana: 24

5 Solomoxen
1 Black Lotus
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Tropical Island
4 Flooded Strand
5 Island

Sideboard: 15

1 Hurkly's Recall
1 Echoing Truth
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Naturlize
1 Misdirection
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Stifle
1 Berserk
3 Chalice of the Void/ Null Rod
2 Chill
2 Morphling


As you will notice i have chosen to run Cunning Wish as it can fetch anything you might need.
I think that what many of you forget is that this deck is not supposed to be played as a combo deck! Sure, in theory our wincondition is the obvious combo of Oath + a big creature. But that dosn't mean that we nessecary have to set up the combo during the first turns of the game.
We have counters and lots of cardadvantage, the deck will be good in the long game.
Misdirection simply seems to be rock solid, especially aginst the StP that so many people fears so much.
The sideboard needs some work, thought.

Another Intuition could be fittet into the board, but besides from that i think it looks quite good.

if the deck is builded right i think that it easily (at least until it is hated out) can be a really strong contender in type 1.

Also i think that the Chills in the board may be a waste of space, burn should not be our biggest problem.

Respons would be great!

Mickey DP.