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1  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Re: Venser/O-Ring on: October 31, 2011, 04:56:28 pm
  I guess he had authority.  He was the event coordinator.  It's a bit of a weird situation.  We had a great local shop, but it shut down years ago because the operator got burned out and went into real estate.  His parents took over and kind of ran it into the ground.  We had a pretty decent Magic community, but no shop.  Everyone drifted away until the guy I've been talking about figured out he could get Hastings to allow tournies.  Mind you, this guy isn't from here.  No one knew him.  Apparently, he set up shop here to get easy wins.  Then I came back and messed it all up, it seems.  He closed shop the day after he told me I was banned.  Just didn't show up to the tournament he had scheduled.  His Facebook apparently says that he is done with Magic in our town.  So, we just have to get a new coordinator I would guess.
2  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Re: Venser/O-Ring on: October 29, 2011, 01:36:19 am
  Well.  I caught the guy away from everyone else.  He was leaving because there weren't enough players to draft.  I explained that I had two judges on the Wizards boards refuting his working of Venser/O-Ring.  He was resistant at first, but then said ok, as long as I printed out the posts to show him.  I then explained the abilities thing.  He said that I was wrong, that it was never that way.  That as long as he had played Magic, no one had ever done it that way.  I read rule 112.7a to him.  He said that it wasn't done that way where he usually played, nor was it done that way at the PQ's he had attended.  He told me to ask the other local players.  I walked over to do that, and he said to just never mind.  If I wanted to question everything, to just not come back.  Told me I was banned from the tournaments.  
  So yeah.  I just came back, spent a fortune to get to be able to play standard.  Went to one tourney.  Whee.  After he left, everyone else explained that they don't question him on rules, because he yells at them.
3  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Re: Venser/O-Ring on: October 22, 2011, 03:13:33 pm
  I posted on the Wizards  boards and a judge was nice enough to PM me that my interpretation was correct.  I don't have a lot of options currently, as the nearest place other than this to play is over one hundred miles from me.  I'm working on starting up a place of my own, however.  Later in the night after posting the Venser question, he and I got into it over creature ability interactions.  He told me that if a creature ability is put on the stack and the creature is killed, the ability fizzles.  He even explained the workings of the stack to me, heh.  I used my Grim Lavamancer.  He removed it with removal and refused to take the damage.  He explained that removing the cause of the ability now removes the effect.  So yeah.  And everyone here listens to him.
4  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Re: Venser/O-Ring on: October 21, 2011, 07:31:52 pm
  I do apologize.  I made the post quickly from my phone right before a tourney was starting.  I did mean the Sojourner, yes.  I understand the way the interactions work, the other person claims that the permanent stays gone for good. I tried to explain that that requires Hourglass. He says a judge told him it's a two card combo for evoking cards permanently.  Thanks for not flaming me.  Again, I do apologize.

Venser, the Sojourner
Mana Cost:

Converted Mana Cost:
5

Types:
Planeswalker — Venser
Card Text:
+2: Exile target permanent you own. Return it to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
-1: Creatures are unblockable this turn.
-8: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a spell, exile target permanent."
Loyalty:
3



  Ok.  At a real PC now.  Again, sorry for the brevity before.  The issue is the interaction between Venser the Sojourner and Oblivion Ring.  He claims that if he exiles his O-Ring with Venser, the original permanent removed stays removed.  He says this is because the O-Ring never actually leaves play, but is "tethered" by Venser.  He says this is what a judge told him.  I went through the interactions step by step.  He agreed that I was right on each point, but that this ability applies only to Venser the Sojourner.  This guy is the one who runs the local tournies.  I just came back to Magic after leaving around Onslaught.  Played mostly Type I at that time.  I admit I am rusty, but I don't think the cards work this way.  Any responses matter very little though.  He says he won't believe anything posted on this site.
5  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Venser/O-Ring on: October 21, 2011, 06:08:22 pm
  I need a step by step explanation of the interaction between these cards.  I believe I know the interactions, but there is a claim that it's a two card combo.  Thanks in advance.
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