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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / Cerebral Assassin VS Dragon on: April 04, 2005, 02:43:53 pm
I'd suggest you go with Cerebral Assassin, but w/ a board with the dragon combo. Wink I've seen at least one tournament report which had a deck like that and it seemed to work well. It can be a real shock to your opponent in game 2 when you combo out. Wink
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / [rogue] Is this going to make even a chance? on: March 27, 2005, 09:44:31 am
Quote from: Ape

By the way, what is RTFP standing for anyways? Smile


Read The Friendly Post of course. Smile
3  Eternal Formats / Creative / N00b Dragon-player needs help on: March 24, 2005, 04:57:37 pm
That's just the kind of deck I was thinking. Smile

The only question is that is Zombie Infestation actually better than for example Survival of the Fittest?
4  Eternal Formats / Creative / N00b Dragon-player needs help on: March 23, 2005, 01:10:51 am
Quote from: AnFgangsta
Yes, Therapy is a versatile card, but I mean not playing U in dragon is a mistake. Black offers what? Therapy and Buried Alive as far as dumping stuff in the grave? U offers Drawing, dumping, as well as some utility.  I understand since you said you dont have power that U does lose some of its power, however in most tournaments proxies are allowed, and even if not, run Ancient Tombs and all that good stuff to feed into Attunement/Intuition because they are wonderful when you dont have bazaars.


I have tried blue. Without powers, it's really slow. If you play blue, you want to play Force of Wills and I found that I can't usually even use it because I don't have that-another-blue-card in hand. Blue gives me much better mid-game than mono black, but I don't think Dragon should play games that tend to go post turn 4.

And the advantages of mono black are not great. The biggest advantage is that it has a Wasteland-proof manabase.

Compulsion is great and all, but it just requires too much mana to use. Confused
5  Eternal Formats / Creative / N00b Dragon-player needs help on: March 22, 2005, 12:27:03 pm
Quote from: Imsomniac101
If you want budget, I would consider something like this:

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If this is a budget build, I really don't know what will make dragon a non-budget deck?  :shock:

And I could afford a playset of Bayous. That suggestion about using Vodalian Merchant made me think that I have given a bit of a misleading image of my budget. I can afford a playset of duals. I cannot afford a playset of Bazaars or any Powers.

I have felt that Cabal Therapy is a very versatile card. It can be devastating when played after Duress. It can fetch out the possible FoW's first turn from your opponents hand and if you really can't find anything else, you can use it to discard your Dragon(s) or your win condition.

I'm going to make this a BG deck. I was thinking about maindecking xantid swarms, but then it would mean that Cabal Therapys would have to go. I really can't see any other card it could replace. Then there are of course ESG's and possibly even Survival of the Fittest.

What I really need right now is some ideas how to make this deck BG and how to make this deck more control resilient.
6  Eternal Formats / Creative / N00b Dragon-player needs help on: March 19, 2005, 08:27:23 am
Quote from: Shock Wave
Your build has some serious deficiencies, most notably:

- You have no way of making use of your creatures if you draw them. That means you have 6 cards that are totally dead draws. You desperately need discard outlets.

Consider: Last Rites, Zombie Infestation. There are probably others, these are just off the top of my head.

I have Cabal Therapy. Wink I know, it's not much but I know Zombie Infestation sucks. Last Rites could be an option, but it doesn't seem that great either. Confused

- You have no way to generate card advantage. This was the problem with Dragon decks in the past and was the primary reason for the implementation of the Squee/Bazaar engine. If you're not planning on using Bazaars, you'll have to look at other ways to keep your deck flowing. A deck that is standing still is almost always a losing deck.

- You have no way to flashback your Cabal Therapy!

Consider:

- Compulsion/Careful Study + Squee (with the addition of blue, of course)
- Zombie Infestation + Squee in a BR build (has awesome synergy with Cabal Therapy)

I think you're on the right track with the BG avenue. I think it is the best option to consider if you're on a tight budget. You could go the Reanimator route with Survival/Xantid Swarm.

In any case, those are some ideas to get you started. Try to build your own decklists and playtest them to get a real feel for the strengths and weaknesses of the deck, and from there, the card choices will come naturally to you. It will undoubtedly improve your skills with the deck as well.


I completely forgot to list one of the best green cards: Pernicious Deed. It would be great in the board.
7  Eternal Formats / Creative / N00b Dragon-player needs help on: March 19, 2005, 07:37:22 am
I realize that there are dozens of threads that deal with dragon, but I couldn't find any that would deal with builds that have no power or/and no bazaars. Is this kind of build viable at all (in a non-powered meta)?

Mana:
13* Swamp
4* Polluted Delta
1* Lotus Petal
1* Chrome Mox
1* Mox Diamond
1* Mana Crypt
4* Dark Ritual
--
25

Combo:
3* Worldgorger Dragon
2* Ambassador Laquatus
1* Caller of the Claw
4* Necromancy
4* Animate Dead
--
14

Tutors:
4* Spoils of the Vault
1* Demonic Tutor
1* Vampiric Tutor
4* Buried Alive
1* Entomb
--
10

Disruption:
4* Cabal Therapy
4* Duress
--
8

Yes, it has only 58 cards. I need to fill those two slots...

As I suggested earlier, I have no access to bazaars or power. I would like to make this deck BG, which means including 4 Bayou (the only reason why this deck isn't atm BG), 4 ESG, 4 Xantid Swarm and possibly Survival.

I've also thought about including blue. That would mean FoW's, Compulsions, Lim-Dul's Vaults, Frantic Search, Brainstorm etc. Problems with blue are that I usually don't have that another card that I would need with FoW and that non-powered deck can't seem to have enough mana to make Compulsion that good.

It's really hard to say anything about my meta because the vintage group is just getting started here and sanctioned tournaments are starting. I'm guessing control will be somewhat played.

Any help with this would be appreciated. Smile

[EDIT] Sideboard is completely open to suggestions, I was thinking using Sundering Titans and/or Verdant Force and some artifact hate in form of Naturalize.
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