I think in order to finish the opponent you shouldn't abuse of the Scrying ... 4cc had an Angel to gain life...


Yeah, yeah I was just asking for respect not blame and that's what I expected from you guys .
Blaming somebody gives him good reasons not to litsen to your pieces of advice.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. In my reply the cards to handle Madness wasn't only Balance but on the front row: Strip Mine, Wasteland and Swords to Plowshares.


Doing this doesn't allows you to win the game for sure...


Yeah indeed but you forgot something: in 4CC you run about 1 FoF, 3 or 4 Skeletal Scrying which depends on your graveyard's size and your life points ( to a lower extent) while in ToG or ToGer you have 4 AK, 3 Intuition, 2 DA ( searchable with Intuition because Intuition doesn't search only AKs ).



The mana base of Dragon allows it not to destroy its own lands with Titan, that's why 2 manas aren't that expansive. And what would you do with those 2 manas? Once Titi is reanimated, you just have to beatdown!



I think that we ain't here to critcize ourselves this way. I just expose you the point not blaming on your meta or your thoughts about the builds.

Monk, Temper, temper...

You don't seem to understand that both of them shows pros or cons. In your case you don't spot the Witness' cons and only see the Caller's.

Let me explain:

Eternal Witness:
In order to kill you must have at least : 2 animate spells (in graveyard  and 1  in hand), 1 Wgr Dragon, 1 Ancestral Recall or 1 Time Walk ( this kill is so complex that I don't remember exactly how to do it ).
In a nutshell, you bring back Dragon with a random enchant dead creature, take infinite colored mana, activate BoB until the win conditions are in the grave, enchant Witness which targets the second "enchant: dead creature" which will reanimate the Dragon, loops goes on and all your grave is in your hand then infinite Ancestral Recall on your opponent. That's great against Gaea's Blessing or DSC.

But what if your opponent has one of those things:
a Lava Dart ( 1 more animate spell is needed )
an E Plague naming human or shaman ( random bouncespell needed )
CotV with 1 counter ( same )
True Believer (same)
Root Maze (same)
Meddling Mage put by Ather Vial

And if you can't have your blue mana for some reasons like Blood Moon, Null Rod, Strip Mine or Wasteland what would you do?
- Nothing...
Even Intuition can't save you all the time when there is no BoB.

But,
Caller of the Claw:
To kill you need 1 Dragon in graveyard, 1 Caller in grave,an animate spell you can cast ( Necromancy in the best case) and/ or a Time Walk to kill imediately.
To search and set the combo you need: 1 BoB or Compulse if Caller isn't already in the grave.
But the biggest difference is that you don't need any mana once the loop begins !

And Caller isn't spoiled by the haters I listed for Witness and can win with Intuition.


Necromancy can be played as an instant too 

And it beats Gaea's Blessing too.

I stiil don't understand why you're keeeping on denying that there cannot be another Dragon.dec build that can win ...

Gentlemen, i still don't understand why you're underestimating the french level
What a shame because you miss something, I personaly think that you're wrong saying that that european top8 isn't relevant.


And what's the problem with DoD?
It has the same CC than Animate Dead and it is used the same way. And if it was the case, I'd rather not loosing time because of a Meddling Mage or a Cranial extraction.


The reason is simple: the wincon is aviable with Inuition which can be done without BoB.


If you didn't notice it, it's not totally a ToG deck. I'd say it's more like a crossover between 4cc and ToG. It takes the advantages from both of them.

4cc: the "rule-the-game" items like Swords to Plowshares, Wasteland, Strip Mine, Disenchant and Balance which allows him to handle Madness and its BoB for instance.

ToG: the kill "hulk", and the draw engine far better than 4cc's.

Note: You should also notice that he made this by himself and he is only 15. That's why saying it was luck or that the european level is so "low" is totally out of the question. Moreover he beated Carsten Kötter with "that" deck.

Oh, by the way it's name is ToG-er (ToG- Keeper).

Monk (who still doesn't understand why people ain't happy to see some new decks in top 8).