I think "Dredge return" makes more sense than anything else, as that's pretty much what the deck does. Not really a fan of the Manaless prefix.

My main concern with ichorid always has been the vast amount of GY hate. Yixid jailer only adds to this concern as it can totally hose this deck for 1B, and still add pressure as just another beater in an almost unlimited number of fish builds. Will this deck really rise to top tier? Granted on the play it has a gigantic advantage, but on the draw especially post sideboard ichorid can easily be decimated.

Absolute grace doesn't stop massacre, since it neither targets or uses damage the creatures still die.
As far as a fish mirror match, using the cats and dogs list posted earlier in the thread, how would you recommend boarding for game 2/3?

I just wanted to state that I feel an injustice has been commited within the vintage and legacy communities. The errata of Time Vault is completely unnessecary, especially given the timing. The errata wasn't announced with the banned/restricted list announcements, and an entire 8 months after the combo was discovered. You are effectively banning Time Vault from vintage and legacy by killing its usefulness (Months after decks have grown and matured, much like Time Vaults value which is about to see a massive decrease.). Just my $.02.

Richard Centanni
An angry vintage player.

That is what I wrote to Mark Gottlieb.

Just checked the oracle, again, my mistake. The original wording on the card lead me to believe that when oath comes into play you chose an opponent, etc. But the Oracle text is quite different. So, yeah, not a mistake.

To make it easier to participate, Friday Night Magic events may only be Standard Constructed, Sealed Deck or Booster Draft. Keeping these formats makes it easier for new players to participate, and you only have to remember three things: Pack your Standard deck; remember where the tournament is happening, and what time it starts. --He's right, taken off the FNM home page on magicthegathering.com

Umm, we've been playing vintage FNM tournaments for a long time. I believe Ken, the store owner, has been running them for years. I'm fairly certain FNM tournaments can be of any type.

I actually did end up going with an oath deck, here's the list:
Land:
4x Forbidden Orchard
4x Badlands
2x Bayou
1x Savannah
4x Forest
3x Mountain

Sorcery's:
4x Cabal Therapy
1x Demonic Tutor

Instants:
2x Berserk
4x Grab The Reins
2x Fling
1x Vampiric Tutor

Artifacts:
1x Sol Ring
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mana Crypt
4x Lightning greaves
3x Helm of Kaldra

Enchantments:
4x Defense of the Heart
4x Oath of Druids
3x City of Solitude
2x Drop of Honey

Creatures
2x Serra Avatar
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Platinum Angel

Sideboard
1x Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1x Spirit of the Night
3x Naturalize
2x Swords to Plowshares
2x Duress
2x Tormod's Crypt
1x Maze of Ith
1x Island of Wak-Wak
1x Engineered explosives
1x Lightning Bolt

Round 1: Bazaar Stax
Game one was real quick, I went first and landed forbidden orchard and lotus petal--oath. Second turn I played lightning greaves and equipped them to Serra Avatar. Game two, I lost after a long and hard fought battle with a chalice of the void on the field with two counters. Game three: ended up beating him down with darksteel colossus and helm of kaldra.

Round 2: Mono Blue Control
Game one: After winning the die roll, I put a mana crypt and a bayou on the field, first turn city of solitude. Second turn was Orchard, Lightning greaves, and oath. Third turn meant death for my unlucky opponent. Game two: this game lasted 15 rounds, I was mana screwed for a good portion and he countered my oaths, in the end I hardcasted a darksteel and eventually beat him down with it.

Round 3: Fully powered B/U/G Oath
Game one: Like a complete idiot, i casted oath on my first turn, forgetting that my opponent, John, had a forbidden orchard in play already. Akroma and spirit of the night beat me down after a time walk. Game Two: Sideboarded out 2x Fling Sideboarded in 1x island of Wak-wak 1x maze of ith. We both got an early orchard, and neither of us played oath, in the end his strip mine and second orchard won the battle for him. Stalled him a little by berserking SotN, using grab the reins and tossing it at him, but not enough.

Round 4: Goblin beatdown with some burn.
Game one: Pacifist goblins, got me down to 6 with lightning bolts and fireballs, kept shocking the tokens I gave him with orchard and eventually stripped it. In the end, it was the city of solitude and Platinum angel with lightning greaves that won this round for me. Game Two: He went first and dropped goblins like nothing else, I ended up playing two oaths, and had a 14/14 serra avatar and a Darksteel colossus. Equipped them both with lightning greaves and attacked. Mike blocked the avatar and took colossus, so I used fling on my avatar to end the game.

Top 4: Round one: Landstill
Game one: I got the shit kicked out of me from everything, the combination of wastelands, crucible, and nevinyrral's disk just stomped me to the ground. Game Two: I ended up being beat down by his manlands, was able to kill a few between grab the reins, but in the end I was only stalling.

All in all, it was a pretty fun tournament considering the prize for 1st was a $10 gift certificate and a Friday night magic kird ape. Bazaar stax went on to win first, versus landstill.

What would you suggest running then, Necrologia? No power cards, no proxies, etc.

1. I fail to see the difference between sacrificing a lotus petal or a mox, I still get the colossus, and probably on turn 2 instead of 1.
2. Yes, I know, and I don't expect much of a problem I may not have rebuild, but I can still cast enough brainstorms, dark rituals, and/or tutors to pull a turn 3 or 4 tendril's with storm of 14.
3. Look at #1.
4. Yeah, I probably will get owned by sui black or WTF, but it's a fnm tournament without proxies, and I've seen one decently built suicide black deck in the 3 months I've been going.
5. I think the advice silvernail posted is plenty, thank you.

I'd just like to point out, that for all extensive purposes, this is a DCI sanctioned tournament. No Proxies. I've seen one rich kid with all five of the moxes, mana drain, complete P9, etc, and he doesn't know how to play that well at all. Aside from that I've met two other people with moxes, and they were competent. Out of 13 tournaments I've been to I've seen one fully powered gorger deck, no fish decks, two suicide black decks (one was really crappy and the kid didn't know how to play it), and one good goblin foodchain deck. The rest is anything from white weenie to mono blue control. I've actually taken first place twice, once with a sneak attack deck, and once with a really weird oath/combo deck.

Look above, zilla, for the answer to your proxy question.
I disregard your "must have moxen/drain" philosophy and substitute it with my own. These cards aren't a necessity at a Friday Night Magic tournament. Only one kid has power cards, he in fact runs a fully powered workshop aggro/bazaar stax/or gorger deck, and half the time he doesn't even make top 4. I'm confident that a budget gifts deck will do all-right, even without the drains, though I do wish I had them.

Thanks for your help Silvernail, the test draws are much better now.

I've been playing vintage for a long, long time. I just came back to Magic the gathering a few months ago, after a 4-year lapse. Anyways, I generally only play at FNM tournaments, so proxies aren't allowed. This is the decklist that i'm running at the moment, and mana drains/bazaar of baghdad/mishra's workshop are just out of reach for me.

Instants:
3x Brainstorm
1x Fact or Fiction
4x Tolarion Winds
4x Lim-dul's Vault
3x High Tide
1x Enlightened Tutor <--- artifact search
2x Merchant Scroll <-- just generally useful
4x Dark Ritual
1x Echoing Truth
3x Gift's Ungiven
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Counterspell
4x Force of Will
1x Brain Freeze

Sorcery's:
1x Recoup
1x Demonic Tutor
1x tinker
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Burning Wish

Mana:
2x Volcanic Island
4x Underground Sea
4x Gemstone Mine
3x City of Brass
1x Tropical Island
1x Scrubland
1x Tundra
1x Savannah
2x Bayou
2x Badlands
1x Mountain
1x Swamp
3x Island
2x Polluted Delta
2x Flooded Strand

Artifact's
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Sol Ring
1x Lion's Eye Diamond
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Engineered Explosives

Sideboard:
2x Duress
4x Cabal therapy
2x Maze of Ith
2x Meddling Mage
1x Tendrils of Agony
4x ?????

Generally in the Friday Night Magic tourney there are multiple decks, from affinity, to bazaar stax, workshop aggro, or foodchain goblins...Any ideas?

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