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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / U/b/r Fish, a new drain deck? on: October 27, 2006, 12:57:54 pm
To start off I live in kansas and do not have the funds (still in school) or opportunity to go to large magic vintage tournaments.  I have been doing all of my testing on MWS so take this with a grain of salt.

Mana (23)
3x Flooded strand
2x Polluted delta
3x underground sea
2x volcanic island
1x tolarian academy
1x island
3x Mishra's factory
5x Moxen
1x lotus
1x sol ring
1x mana crypt

Creatures (17)
4x Gorilla shaman
4x Dark confidant
4x Phyrexian negator
3x Ninja of the deep hour
2x Grim lavamancer

Draw/Drain dumps/Broken (6)
1x ancestral recall
1x timewalk
1x timetwister
1x fact or fiction
1x mind twist
1x vampiric tutor

Disruption (14)
2x Chalice of the void
1x Chain of vapor
3x Duress
4x Mana drain
4x Force of will

Sideboard (15)
1x echoing truth
1x chain of vapor
3x REB
4x Fire/ice
3x planar void
3x Rack and Ruin

      The timetwister I just added in a few days ago and have done limited playtesting with it. As far as the main deck Vapor it is extremely useful. Its good to 1. Remove brass man   2. Pop back confidents against DD (fire/ice) 3. good synergy with mind twist 4. only way to get rid of enchantments preboard. I tried to get the speed from gifts and apply it to fish so they can get early gamebreakers off ie. Big mind twist second or third turn FoF 2nd or 3rd turn or early negator. First turn I usually wanna drop a dude or disrupt, second i may keep open for drain and lay a bomb on third turn or may lay down negator.
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 08, 2006, 08:20:46 pm
Have you considered going up to three duress? I have noticed they are almost always a nice card to draw and i feel are rarely a dissapointment. Why I wouldnt go four is simply random aggro, but again goes back to the metagame.
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 02, 2006, 11:23:55 pm
As im playing it on MWS its working it pretty nicely its just I think it needs a beefy creature for some speed. I was thinking maybe of putting a few flesh reavers in to fill the spot? and i think i may back off the chalice to 2 and put in another lavamancer to deal with welders and the such.
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 02, 2006, 10:42:32 pm
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=28184.0

That's URBana Fish, a deck very similar to the one you posted.  It has had great results when Becker played it.  You might want to check it out.

did he ever try out drains and have any success as i like the synergy with drain monkey/ninja/FoF.
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 02, 2006, 09:38:04 pm
i have tried to make a URB Fish deck using Confidants, Duress, and Genju FTW. I may try out the deck again using Drains, FOF, and Scrying, and Drain also can give mana for Genju and possibly Mox Monkeys, depending on how i put the build together.

it doesnt seem like a bad idea, i really dont know why i gave up on it.

Wow not a bad idea at all in fact you inspired me to start testing a URB fish deck I was thinking maybe something like this (I took a tangent off your idea and made it more of a fish variant)

Mana 23

4 flooded strand
4 polluted delta
4 volcanic island
4 underground sea
2 island
1 library of alexandria
1 mox sapphire
1 mox ruby
1 mox jet
1 black lotus

Creatures (17)

2 grim lavamancer
4 gorilla shaman
3 ninja of the deep hours
4 cloud of faeries
4 dark confidant

draw/other (4)

1 ancestral recall
1 fact or fiction
1 vampiric tutor
1 time walk

Disruption (16)

3 chalice of the void
4 force of will
4 mana drain
3 duress
2 red elemental blast

First since i was switching to 3 colors i decided the wastelands had to go and decided to just go ahead and cut the strip for now. This coupled with the fact that I can utilize moxen much more with 3 colors and the addition of gorilla shaman I cut the null rods and decided chalice will do the trick. I feel the deck has a fairly spread mana cost and if it is in my opening hand much of the time I will most likely lay moxes and chalice for 0. Just an idea for a deck.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 02, 2006, 01:16:18 pm
I think Goblin Vandals would work better than Welders. The only thing welder can do that Vandal can't is deal with Darksteel Colossus, but anyone seeing a welder on the board is just going to wait until they can timewalk past your welder or kill it first, or simply not use black lotus or lotus petal, leaving you without the option to weld in the first place.

the thing is though I only need a few turns to stall them from playing darksteel and the usual way people play it is with tinker so they are usually gonna have at least 1 artifact in the yard for me to weld darksteel with.  Also the thing about welder is if i go first turn volcanic welder a LOT of people force the welder cause they think im playing a welder variant.
7  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 02, 2006, 09:56:41 am
As I stated in my original post I am playing in a very fish heavy environment. This would be a good explanation to why the fanatics are working well for me but since you seem extremely adament about gorilla shaman I will playtest a couple of them in the deck.  My main concern about gorilla shaman is them getting the chalice for 1 out before I get the monkey out. Even if i do get it out turn 1 and then they put out chalice I have to wait about 4 turns to kill it and that will slow me down as I only play one moxen.
8  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 02, 2006, 12:12:53 am
Sorry I had forgotten to add the strip mine to the decklist! But as for the rod I like running four because though sometimes you might draw multiples its worth it so you start off more games with it in your hand.  I actually just started testing the fanatics and have found them extremely useful so I will continue to test them. The tutor is a possibility because of all of the other draw and would probably remove it with the 3 stifles.  I might try shamans but that doesnt double as a pitch card and would not improve my match against chalice. The reason why I haven't put any 2cc counters in here is because I usually am playing spells or attacking with mishra's and tapping out although I might try a couple echoing truths maindeck to improve against chalice.
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [deck discussion] Maindecking blasts in U/R Fish on: October 01, 2006, 10:35:46 pm
I was trying to think the other day about what most of the decks in the current meta game have in common and for some reason I started gearing towards color.So then I asked why shouldn't people be maindecking blasts and then sideboarding them out if the person does not play enough blue.  Obviously you would need a fairly competitive meta game in your area for maindeck blasts to be effective, but even if they only splash blue for ancestral this is one of the most common cards to be tutored for therefore they would be playing it more often. Not only do they stop ancestral but improve your mirror match tremendously. Here is my U/R Fish build

Mana (22)

4 mishra's factory
4 wasteland
4 volcanic island
2 flooded strand
2 polluted delta
2 island
2 shivan reef
1 Mox sapphire
1 Strip mine

Creatures (16)

4 grim lavamancer
2 mogg fanatic
3 ninja of the deep hours
3 goblin welder
4 cloud of faeries

Spells (22)
4 Red Elemental Blast
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time walk
4 Null Rod
1 Mystical tutor
3 Standstill
4 Force of will
2 stifle
2 daze

Some of the choices that are unique mogg fanatic, I put a few in for multiple reasons the synergy with ninja and its fast removal to take care of confidants/welders/ication javalineers all I would prefer to remove the turn they are played. Welder helps for artifact removal and synergy for ninja. (Another possibility I have not tested was gorilla shaman, this is mainly because i feel no need for a mox monkey with 4 null rods). The standstill's are great synergy with ninja and I do not feel they are overkill in the deck.  The area where I am the most unsure are the stifles I really like the versatility of them but feel as though it is ALWAYS the pitch card for FoW. My meta game is overrun with fish varients, the occasional oath, and a fair amount of gifts. 
I chose U/R over U/W because red has better hate cards (REB, pyroblast) and more importantly better artifact disruption (Welder, Rack and Ruin). I miss StP but feel if I were to try and splash white I would have to take out wasteland/strip mine.

Hello, and welcome to TMD. We do things differently here. We try to be more thorough and complete. If you post a decklist, we'd really like it if you could explain some of your choices, why you selected the cards you did, and why you believe that your deck is optimal. Further, knowing a bit more about your metagame helps all of us to udnerstand your deck and its role in a metagame. This helps us to understand your decisions and where you are coming from, and it helps you by allowing us to give you worthwhile feedback.

So, please use the edit button and flesh your post out a bit more.

Thanks!

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