You're forgetting the 2 soldiers that were made on the first attack.

This draws comparisons to...



For 1 more mana Hero deals 18 damage in 2 attacks if unmolested as well as buffing your already existing creatures, making it a significantly faster clock.  That 1 mana may make the difference though in playability, just thought it was note worthy to bring up that this is not a new mechanic.

I'm putting together a cube and I've run into some practical problems when it comes to sleeves.  Do people sleeve up a bunch of basics to go with the cube or just bring extra sleeves for the drafters to use? Also, I used to use Dragon Shields for Type 4, but haven't had to value sleeve durability in some time.  Are they still really good for that or should I be using some other brand?

I'm pretty sure I can provide some history about Dutch underground rap including translating some lyrics!

Liliana'a Caress 1B
(Uncommon)
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.
"This might hurt less if you don't fight so hard.  But I doubt it."


Discarding three cards with Bazaar will result in a loss of 6 life with this enchantment in play.  It's cheap enough at 2cmc and it's black.  Something to think about for hate, maybe?

That's not being "more strict than tournament", that's just being jerks.  The tournament rules are as they are for a reason, so that stupid things don't happen (like when you play Terror but there aren't any legal targets: I've seen more than a couple casual players say that it just goes to the graveyard then).  There's no reason to not allow people to physically move their lands around and stuff until they are satisfied.  If a spell is legal, then no takebacks and stuff is fine.  But to say "Oh, well that's not a legal target, so instead of just backing up to when something illegal happened, instead we are just gonna make you randomly target something else", well, I don't see the point of that other than making the game not fun for anyone.

In casual play, I'm pretty casual.  Takebacks are fine, if you play something, sit for a second, then realize it was awful, then a takeback is hardly a big deal to me.  Paul even specifies an extra phase in playing spells in Type 4 (paraphrased as the "Oh wait..." step), so that when you do something really dumb, and then remark "Oh wait, that's horrible", you get to take it back because that's just unfun.  I don't see any reason to be a super more-than-the-rules nazi particularly in casual games.

"And if you enjoy playing the card casually, feel free to do so."

This is like my favorite thread ever.

Wonders of MS Paint, strike again!  Here we go:

You do realize that Steve (Smemmen) is still banned from TMD and can't respond right?  Maybe one of his teammates will chime in.

Dante

yes, legacy is now behind me.

I am going to work hard to get Vintage exciting again.  I am working on some cool stuff with meandeck again, so hopefuly we can shake things up once more. 

Amen to that "Never happen" with the Dwarven Pony thing.
Here's the thing: if your deck can beat all other decks, everyone would play it. 

I don't see why it isn't fun being beaten down by a rogue elephant...

Because decks utilizing this style are, by definition, unable to compete with an optimized, fully-powered field.  Which means if you get beaten down, you feel like you have failed yourself or your deck has failed you.

By "playing against the decks that Smmenen has referred to as good, and has put playtesting time into," the game becomes more about skill than "I combo out turn three across from the guy with the Plains.  That don't also tap for ."
And because the game doesn't contain some of these elements, a lot of people are starting to feel the casual element has left the game.  Hence the purpose behind this thread.

Here is my problem with the "casual" crowd.

When I go to a tournament with a huge casual contingent, it isn't very fun.   It isn't fun for several reasons.  First of all, if I put alot of work into the tournament through testing and preparation and I play against someone who just took out their deck for the weekend (maybe the only tournament they play in all year) and I LOSE, I feel really crappy.  Matters are made worse becubecausey are usually quite smug about it.  This happened to me in Cleveland.  I took my Intuition Gifts list to a 16 person tournament in Cleveland in April (?) and there were like 3 competitive players.  I went 0-3 drop.  It was my worst performance ever.

My round one opponent was a teammate.  But my round two opponent was a local who plays mono blue control with Phids, Morhpling and Rootwater Theif!  I made some play mistakes to be sure, but this guy pwned me and was gloating the whole time. 

Think about it this way: If I beat a casual player, it means almost nothing.  But if i lose, then it feels really bad for me - esp. if I put alot of work into it.  Thankfully that doesn't happen very much (I'm not used to losing in Vintage anymore), but it just seems to me that the casual crowd makes things "less fun" for the competitive players.  And I think its a viscious cycle. 

I honestly want to play in tournaments with lots of good players, lots of great competition, and a tough day.   If you win, it feels great.  If you lose, it isn't good - but at least you had fun playing the games.  In a casual field, it isn't even fun playing the game.

Sadly by my own admission, I have been addicted to type one for probably four years now.  I was always astounded when people would tell me that they didn't want to play Vintage or had other more fun things to do.  JP, for example, doesn't like playing.   That blew my mind.  For the first time that I can remember I actually had those thoughts recently.  I just don't want to play Type One if the field isn't strong.  If you lose, it was a waste of time.  If you win, it still feels like a waste of time.