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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Sadistic Suicide (The most fun I've had in Vintage in ages) on: January 17, 2010, 08:19:22 pm
A few thoughts that occurred to me last night when I was thinking about this deck, which I admit may well be completely janky, but inspired by Max Brown's brilliant list from the Blue Bell:

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=39581.0

His approach, particularly in not relying on Null Rod and playing one ofs with all the tutors seems really liberating and got me thinking about what Zendikar actually does for black: essentially it has doubled the number of combo-like finishes available to black, in so much as instead of Helm + leyline and Tendrils, black now also has Hexmage + Dark Depths and, against certain decks Sadistic Sacrament.

Max argues in the above thread that people's attempts thus far to fit the Hexmage combo into decks have relied to heavily on that combo and he's probably right - why not play a deck that can access the full variety of black combo finishes?

Anyway - this is a very roundabout way of saying: has anyone thought about using Deathwish in this deck? With 3xLeyline/1xHelm main (one of each in sideboard), 3 hex mage + 2 Dark Depths main (one of each in sideboard), plus copies of Sacrament and Tendrils in the sideboard too?

Might be terrible idea but I'll give it a try. If you think I'm mental, let me know. Smile


As a matter of fact I had a Death Wish in my first version of this deck.  I played 3 of each Vampire Hexmage and DD with a 4th copy of each in the SB to wish for ... but I found the life loss combined with the sorcery speed of death wish just too much.  It's almost good enough... if it were only an instant, sigh.  It was very hard for me to cut it because I reeeeally wanted it to work but oh well..
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: B/G suicidal vintage hate on: January 17, 2010, 04:46:20 pm
Consider Gatekeeper of Malakir over edict or atleast a split.  Has the same basic effect with a body to beat with... edicts instant ability has its advantages too but I like having access to another beater.

Sad Sac is worth a 4 of IMO, I've been testing it and it works great vs alot of tier 1 vintage decks. Having said that, it is pretty worthless vs aggroish style decks such as noble fish GBR hate etc.  In my area I'd expect heavy combo and tezz so I feel confidant maindecking all 4.

I made the same deck (basically) about a month ago for a splash for green for goyf and krosan but in the end i removed it and am playing straight mono black as I didn't think the splash really helped me all that much.  Also, I proxy a mox jet and lotus and its verrry worth it!



3  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Sadistic Suicide (The most fun I've had in Vintage in ages) on: January 07, 2010, 03:12:03 pm
Do you feel it's really worth splashing the green in this deck?  It seems you play only Tarmogoyf and Krosan Grip.  Obviously Goyf is great but couldn't his spot simply be Tombstalker?  Sure there's a risk running him next to Dark Confidant but hey, this is Suicide Black afterall!  Also, what do you side in the grips for and what do you take out for them?  I've been testing:

4 Dark Confidant
4 Vampire Hexmage
2 Gatekeeper

4 Duress
4 Thoughseize
4 Sadistic Sacrement
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Necropotence
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consaultation
1 Yawgamoths will

4 Null Rod

4 Dark Ritual
1 Mox Jet
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus

4 Dark Depths
3 Urborg
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4Verdant Catacombs
6 Swamps

SB
3 Tombstalker
1 Dark blast
3 Diabolic Edict
2 Gatekeeper
2 Shriekmaw
4 Leyline of the Void

This list relys on the hexmage/depths combo more heavily than your build but I think you'll find the rest of the deck very similar.  I'm not convinced my fish matchup is great or my matchup vs aggro g/w...any SB advice on suring up those matchups?
4  Vintage Community Discussion / Card Creation Forum / Re: Silverback on: June 25, 2006, 11:49:00 am
Well, It would be nice, but its a bit like giving red/green 8 Kird Apes in total.

The card itself is balancem but I dont know how balanced it would be for red/green decks nowadays, especially since Kird Ape is Type 2 again.

Maybe make it a legendary creature to give it another minor drawback
5  Vintage Community Discussion / Card Creation Forum / Silverback on: June 25, 2006, 09:40:26 am
Silverback
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Creature - Ape

If you control any mountains, Silverback gains +1/+2.

1/1



I always wished green would have a version of Kird Ape.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: R/G beats discussion on: July 12, 2005, 03:47:07 pm
hi, good discussion going on here about my favorite deck type.  Here are a few other possible additions to consider:

1) +1 Pendlehaven (if you have enough basic forests in your build to drop one).  I've found it to be pretty decent due to the amount of 1/1's the deck uses (mox monkey, grim lavamancer, artifact mutation tokens and even rootwalla's in some builds).

2) +1 or 2 Sylvan Library.  Works great with fetch lands and the deck is so aggressive that paying the life for an extra card or two rarely hurts that much.  Only thing I'd worry about is if it is to slow for todays vintage scene..

Also another interesting idea is to use Ashnod's Transmogrant w/ artifact mutations.  The problem for me is I'm hesitant to drop the rancor's in favor of Ashnod's (I don't think running them both is a good idea, there would be too many hands where you woudn't have a creature but you'd have a rancor(s) and ashnods).  Rancor is the better beatdown card but if one of r/gs worst matchups is vs oath and there is alot of that in your local metagame you might consider the Ashnod strategy.

Anyway, just thought I'd add my 2 cents.       
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