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Eternal Formats / Null Rod Based Aggro / Re: Dark Times Deck
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on: January 12, 2014, 09:27:29 am
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I recently added 3x Thespian's Stage and took out 3x Swamp. Still have a few too many mana sources. Would like to turn another swamp into either a Liliana of the Veil or a Diabolic Edict. Just not sure which would be more appropriate. Pretty sure Liliana would be the best decision. Either way, first round of testing should be tomorrow with a friend. Might have to broaden my test group because he's still a newer player and not a perfect test pilot. I don't like Night's Whisper in a deck without the full moxen suite, especially as you may be sinking a ritual to get the effect in this deck. Ritual, Thoughtseize, Bob seems much better in a lot of situations than replacing the Bob with a Night's Whisper.
I tried Cabal Therapy for a while and it was quite good but allot of the time I found that if I were running Surgical Extraction, Thoughtseize was better because of the ability to lead your opponent down certain paths, with therapy you are relegated to blind shots for the first one which is not where this deck wants to be. Therapy also has the chance of just not doing anything, much like Hymn to Tourach which is why I prefer Thoughtseize.
I was thinking more synergy between Bob + Therapy if life is getting low. I'm going to try and run without Bob to see how it is going once my final decklist is assembled. Then, proxy Bob and playtest with that. I'm still learning this deck as I'm going along (as with any "new" combo deck). This is such a far cry from U/B dragon.dec and mono-U trix which used to be my go to decks. Granted, that was when I last played and you could still stack damage... EDIT: Thanks for the advice everyone. I did update this deck after a day of going to three card shops to get the last of the major parts. The only other thing I can think of adding is possibly a Maze of Ith, but still not sure about that one. -Lands/Mana Sources- 28 10x Swamps 1x Strip Mine 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth (still wish to get at least 1 more in here) 1x Cavern of Souls 4x Thespian Stage 4x Dark Depths 4x Dark Ritual 1x Mana Vault 1x Sol Ring 1x Lotus Petal -Other Combo Enablers- 10 4x Vampire Hexmage 2x Helm of Obedience 4x Leyline of the Void -Disruption- 12 4x Duress 3x Thoughtseize 4x Pithing Needle 1x Diabolic Edict -Tutor/Good Stuff- 10 4x Expedition Map 1x Necropotence 1x Demonic Consultation 1x Vampiric Tutor 1x Demonic Tutor 1x Crucible of Worlds 1x Yawgmoth's Will (have yet to need to use it) Played a few games against my friend's Angry Hermit and Suicide Black. Both were pretty consistent wins, but I still don't feel as though my list is 100% optimal. Still much better than the first revision. I'm really hoping that it'll at least top 4 in local tournaments. I also realize that I'm not a veteran pilot with this kind of deck as I'm noticing that I'm not making the most optimal plays when it comes to land drops. The dropping of Wasteland was solely due to my normally naming "Wasteland" as Pithing Needle would come into play. And if there were some sort of land causing me problems or to stall his mana base, I'd try to tutor a Strip Mine. Also seriously considering dropping YawgWin as it has usually been a dead draw for me or a dead card in the opening hand. Might replace with a second Crucible of Worlds. |
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Eternal Formats / Null Rod Based Aggro / Re: Dark Times Deck
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on: January 08, 2014, 07:34:43 pm
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Sorry about the necro of an old thread. This place was a lot more active the last few times I posted. My mistake. Thanks for starting off a new thread. I actually do like the addition of Dark Ritual to speed up the game. Such as Urborg, dark ritual, expedition map, activate map to grab Dark Depths. Turn 2 drop dark depths, tap for Vampire Hexmage. But I can see the point of where I'd need to be more controlling. I'm probably going to test Thoughtseize in this current build (later on this week when my play set is finished) and test without Dark Confidant. If I were to include Dark Confidant, I'd drop Thoughtseize for Cabal Therapy. I was also considering Mental Misstep and possibly Not of This World. But I know Not of This World would be unplayable with Dark Confidants. As for Night's Whisper, I'm not exactly sold, but might try one to see what it's like. Please don't necro old threads, start new ones.The rest of the topic: I would play 2-3 urborg, not 4 by any means. you don't really NEED it, and you don't want the second.
confidant is REALLY important in monoblack. but if you cannot play it, try to get another kind of advantage, like hymm to tourach (one of the best CC2 black spells imho after demonic and confidant. my memory could fail though)
you probably should play 4 exploration maps, 4 thespian, 4 dark depths. map is open to null rod, but fetches both cards of the combo.
you are not playing null rods. well, better for exploration map and helm of obedience, but often null rod buys turns.
I'd play missteps of my own. they protect some key spells, and without confidants life loss is less important outside helm-leyline combo, most spells cost 1-2. be light on mana, you already play non-basic lands as win conditions. and dark ritual has little sense when you play so few so spells costing more than 3 mana....
Night's Wisper is a good budget alternative for Bob.
When I was playing a more combo focussed version of the deck with expedition map I found a singular shop worth the risk of drawing it as I could map for it turn one to put out the helm on turn two. I never played that version in a tournament because I thought that it lowered your consistency vs your best matchups e.g. big blue while not really addimg much other than more turn 2 cthulu.
I found the more controlling versions with the 8 duress effects, a bunch of high impact singletons and the full tutor package was the stronger deck in the end.
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Eternal Formats / Null Rod Based Aggro / Dark Times Deck
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on: January 07, 2014, 12:00:56 pm
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I'm looking to get back into magic and play in the local tournament scene and figured I'd give Dark Depths a try. The greatest success I had was with powerless U/B dragon.dec back in say 2007 before I quit. Having sold my dual lands, I figured I'd try a mono colored combo deck (and mono-B dragon is pretty bad). I saw that in legacy a Maritocracy deck was floating around and figured I'd borrow the idea of using Exploration Map and Thespian's Stage. Granted, I have yet to play anyone and just got done putting together a rough deck and found it consistently putting out Marit Lage in turn 2 or turn 3. With the occasional stupid turn 0 win via Helm + Leyline. Anyway, here's a decklist that is far from optimized.
-Non-combo Lands/Mana- 25 (Too many swamps, need to cut down)
17x Swamp
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth (Need to add more. Probably going to end up with 4x)
2x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
4x Dark Ritual
-Disruption- 8 (Probably going to add Thoughtseize once lands are cut down)
4x Duress
4x Pithing Needle
-Tutors/Restricted- 12
3x Exploration Map
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Necropotence
1x Demonic Consultation
1x Yawgmoth's Will (surprisingly weak here compared to other decks)
1x Mana Vault
1x Sol Ring
1x Lotus Petal
1x Crucible of Worlds
-Combo- 15
4x Vampire Hexmage
4x Dark Depths
1x Thespian's Stage (probably adding 1-2 more)
4x Leyline of the Void
2x Helm of Obedience (probably adding 2 to the SB)
The only reason Dark Confidant isn't in this list is because I don't own any at this moment. There is no such thing as a "proxy tournament" in my local area, so it's pretty much play with what you've got. The situation will probably be corrected at the end of the month thanks to plenty of overtime at work. I'm rather happy with the deck in it's current form, but know it can be much, much better. As for the sideboard, I still have no clue as to what I want in it yet. Going to have to play a bit more to find the weaknesses of the deck.
Edit: Had to update the list with correct totals. Accidentally forgot Yawgmoth's Will and Dark Ritual.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Ur Landstill
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on: July 28, 2007, 04:45:34 pm
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Adan: Have you considered Impulse over Brainstorm? I'm not sure if it would be better or not, but I would assume so since you would be digging deeper with the impulse for quicker answers/lockdown.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Article] -- The Suck Dilemma, or How YOU are Ruining Type 1
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on: October 26, 2004, 10:42:47 pm
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I only disagree (somewhat) with 2 points in the article.
1) Type 2 can be much more expensive than vintage depending upon how many PTQ's and drafting one does. Especially since the booster price increase.
2) Power is naturally going to go up in price. If you want it to go down in price then refresh the rumors of "Die roll is what matters the most" and "The format is way to expensive to start anyway". The price of good vintage cards is in general going to increase if the format becomes more popular. Maybe that is why a mox was attainable for under 100 bucks a few years ago.
Either way it was a good article. Seemed like it was full of inside jokes, but I expect that from CrazyCarl articles.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / (Deck) Undead
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on: October 19, 2004, 11:53:40 pm
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The reason why I ask is that my suicide deck is tuned more for an aggro metagame and it is neccessary against stompy to include a 3/3. Plus against some of the faster aggro decks I use my first dark ritual for other things and follow up with a 3/3. First, suicide decks suck against aggro decks, and there isn't much you can do to them to change this. If everyone is playing aggro decks play something other than suicide. Wretched Anurid isn't a bad creature; however I don't think he is as good as Flesh Reaver, and that is what he would be replacing in my opinion. Good reply. I would run the reavers but the fact is that I have a necro in the deck. Might as well post my very rough list (made recently, after being out of magic for a good 8 months): Swampst3hgood.dec -Mana/Lands- 18x Swamp 4x Dark Ritual 4x Wasteland 1x Strip Mine -Saviors- 1x Demonic Tutor 1x Demonic Consultation 1x Yawgmoth's Will 1x Necropotence 2x Zuran Orb -Disruption- 4x Duress 4x Hymn to Tourach 4x Contagion -Creatures- 4x Hypnotic Specter 4x Nantuko Shade 4x Phyrexian War Beast 2x Wretched Anurid SB: 2x Powder Keg 3x Withered Wretch 4x Cabal Therapy 4x Smother 4x Flesh Reaver You can post any questions you wish and I will try and answer them. Anyway..........back on topic. I just looked over the list posted and had another quick question. I always heard that running vamp tutor in a suicide deck was bad because you cannot immediately draw said card or take it into your hand. So, is it just to get a chains out second turn more reliable? |
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Eternal Formats / Creative / (Deck) Undead
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on: October 19, 2004, 02:06:20 pm
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I just have a small and quick question regarding the card choices. I saw that you had already tried out the dauthi creatures and said they were too slow being at 2 mana and unable to block, but have you tried out [card]Wretched Anurid[/card]? I know he does have the setback of 2 mana cc but he is a 3/3 with a minor drawback. Seems like a logical choice against fish.
The reason why I ask is that my suicide deck is tuned more for an aggro metagame and it is neccessary against stompy to include a 3/3. Plus against some of the faster aggro decks I use my first dark ritual for other things and follow up with a 3/3.
Thanks.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / [Deck] Bloody Suicide NEW, Think with me....
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on: February 06, 2004, 12:09:37 pm
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Ummm, I would find either a substitute for flesh reaver or necro. I tried running both of them in many decks, answer = death. I would suggest Wretched Anurid since it is the same cost.
You seem to be a little mana heavy also, 4 fetches often get the job done alone.
Your creature base seems rather odd. Must be a bunch of metagame choices.
For your open slots its reallly up to you and your metagame. I run powder kegs because of intense aggro.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / "Blue Steel" A new look at Mono-U
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on: February 05, 2004, 09:16:11 pm
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This looks like an Ice Blue Zoo list. Your missing many things that you should have or not even bother playing the deck.
4x Force of Will
2-3x Psionic Blast
Without these cards the deck is severely hampered. I dont even play blue in T1 unless I can use Force of Will, it is the counter of choice.
And why not use fetchlands? They are cheap and effective. They are good in any metagame (well, unless ankh's are played alot.)
Also, please list mana sources, without it we cant tell you if you are running light or heavy or just right.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / StarCityGames article
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on: February 05, 2004, 09:00:52 pm
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I liked it, very good source for beginner/intermediates to vintage right now. And unlike some articles it covered many decks and also with newer ideas that have come out in the last few weeks/months (trinisphere being the obvious example).
Only annoying thing was all the parenthesis.
Good job, info-packed-action.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Foils/Betas/Signatures, etc… all or nothing at all
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on: February 04, 2004, 08:43:54 pm
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I prefer to have either all foil or no foil if I am playing with more than one of the same card. But usually I get the cheapest cards possible.
Like with mahamoti djinn, one of mine is beatdown and I wouldnt trade it for the world.
As for the thing about mentally taking notes. That is just something that you should learn after playing magic for awhile. Like duress, I always memorize what they have in their hand. And when being duressed, I always try and play the cards that they have seen already. The info strategy is killer.
Of course with 10 land stompy this is an irrelevant argument.........mainly because they will see pretty much everything during land grants.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Critique my Totaliran Academy Deck please!
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on: January 26, 2004, 11:44:34 pm
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I play academy........way too much to be exact. A few suggestions that will really help you out.
-3 duals
+1 Undiscovered Paradise (I changed these to glimmervoids myself)
+1 Mana Crypt
So now you have an extra slot, which I will use here in the next category.
-1 FoF (really unnecessary and weak in this combo)
-1 Skeletal Scrying (again, see above)
-1 Frantic Search (its okay, but I would rather use the draw 7 since this is a card draw dependant combo)
-1 Zuran Orb (you should go off before ever needing this)
+1 Time Spiral
+3 Force of Will (trust me, these are needed)
+1 Capsize (time to go infinite).
That should make you combo out way faster. And about the counter heavy decks, that is what the sb is for. Here is mine:
4x Phyrexian Negator
4x Defense Grid
4x Xantid Swarm
3x Misdirection
Hope I helped a little.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / An amusing red deck.
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on: January 23, 2004, 10:23:34 pm
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I would suggest playtesting your deck. I would REALLY encourage it.
You lack so much synergy alone with ankhs and fetches in the same deck (yes, that is 5 damage to you). And why shrapnel blast? Half the time I've played with it in T2 its been a dead card...........in an artifact heavy card pool.
And starting off with "I dont think this will win anything........" sentences makes sure that you and your deck will not be taken seriously.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / UG Budget Gro - Criticism Please
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on: January 23, 2004, 10:16:34 pm
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One question has popped to mind. Have you tried the horn of greed/exploration (and fastbond) draw engine or are they too slow? I realize it really wouldnt work in this list with a whole 18 mana sources (not counting the 5 strip effects). I would highly suggest the addition of merchant scroll. You basically have the ability with that one card to find anything in your deck that you might need outside of creatures/lands. Also, how has the 2 wishes worked out? Seems rather pointless when you have such a small wish board. I would probably cut one of those (or a mis-d/stifle) for a scroll. Lotus petal seems weak in the mana-base here. I feel another forest would do better in it, but that is just me. I hope I helped  |
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