Dack Fayen doesn't really get eaten by DRS...

Nice report/primer/Lack of better word. Interesting read.

Lotus and Jace might be the two worst cards in your deck, tbh, and I'd find room for 2, or at least 1, more null rod.

I think you're misunderstanding my point, my point is that if you understand the role Mindbreak Trap has in the context of vintage, the need to list all the functions it holds is not needed... The point should be, however, arguing why it's not good or needed.

This deck seems extremely poor vs. Dark Confidant, I think...

Also, the whole Mindbreak Trap discussion was poor and useless. The arguments weren't really arguments, as they are basically just stating the purpose of the card as well as interaction with other cards. Also, if you don't sequence your cards properly, obviously you are going to be blown out by trap.

I understand that this deck is made, mainly with BUG/Abrupt Decay based creature lists in mind, and that is the reason why he chose to incorporate stuff like 3x StP etc. However, I think Jace is just a better endgame than 4x Fact, and that is based on that, that I called Blue Angels the better deck. In order to consider the different metagames, and how they prey on each other, jace is a house(!) against BUG lists, as they will struggle really hard to beat it, backed up by StP/SCM/Clique/Resto Angel. I honestly think with creatures being as dominant in today's vintage, as they are, StP main is needed. However, FaF is just embarrassing compared to Jace when the opponent plays stuff like flusterstorm.


Also, I didn't remember the name Blue Angels, but that is the correct name. I merely called in Vendillion Angels, in order to describe the deck for those familiar with it!

Lastly, I understand why my comment could sound absolute. That wasn't the point. I just cannot comprehend why people would play FaF over Jace. Both are really bad vs. shops, where-as the one shine in BUG M/U's and the other is insane vs other jace-lists. I do understand, however, the argument for playing your entire game in the opponents turns, and that FaF has a clear advantage to Jace there (... Being instant and all! ), but other than that, FaF is just a dig spell. (I also understand the premise it to be able to play SotL. That's just poor vs Bob, thou, barring that it trades with him.

To be quite honest, I think that the UW Vendilion Angels from last year (Restoration angels in place of bomber men) is just a better deck.. However, I haven't tested this deck compared to UW VA.

It has been proven, mathematical, several times that "thinning" is highly exaggerated. Flipping with delver, however, is the main reason.

What does Emrakul do for you?

Misstep is terrible when you are on spheres etc, whereas chalice has a lot of synergy with it.

Also, misstep is poor synergy together with tangle wire, whereas chalice isn't.

I don't do kips etc in a workout - everythings strict. Speed is for competetions. If you can't do the workouts without good form and a decent pace, it's too hard for you and you need to tone it down a notch!

I have played a ton of Grixis Delver in legacy and I can tell you this: I always wished Confidant could be gush in that deck. With the amount of permission etc this deck plays, putting 3-4 tokens into play turn 3 is very realistic. Gush let's you that. Dark Confidant.

In Vintage, I'd prefer Confidant over Drain Decks as of right now, but in every other matchup, I feel like Gush is superior.


I would actually suggest finding room for Jitte in the board. Jitte is insane in creature match ups, and really just pushes TNN waaaay over the top.

I've always been incredible skinny and not-so-strong, but being awesome at running and sprinting.

I took up crossfit a few years (2.5 approximately) ago, and have gained about 10 kg since then (currently weighting about 72 kg... Which is what, 150p?)

I really think that my skill of magic is directly related to my state of health, as I just think about 100x as well when I'm in shape..

My current stats for lifting etc:

52 unbroken pull-ups
135 kg squat (3rm)
187 kg deadlift (2rm)
100 kg benchpress (1rm)
80 kg press, 98 kg jerk (4x4 sets)
110 kg clean (1rm)
75 kg snatch (working on this currently) (1rm)


I don't weightrain outside of crosfitting, so these are my stats based on what I can do in sets/1rm.

I know for a fact (I was there , that every single vintage judge was really unsatisfied with how it was ran.

The problem was that they had EVERYTHING planned on sunday!
BoM 9 3-bye legacy-trial, Modern event, Commander event and Legacy day 2!

There was 152 players in vintage and the top 8 was:

1x BUG Fish
3x Forgemaster MUD
1x Sneak and Show (URb Show and tell/Sneak attack)
1x Doomsday
1x Almost Broken
I don't remember the 8th person, sorry I think it was a Jace-deck, but I might be wrong.

This sounds like an insane good event. Really wish this will be the default vintage champs, as I want to play in one of these!

Also, LOL at Gerard vs Stephen at R7! Vault+Key+Clique has to attack for 5 turns (to deal lethal!) That's hilarious!

Please make Kyle stop riffle-shuffling.

Please!

Otherwise, nice videos

I sure hope people don't play this at BoM.

It's gonna be a nightmare, when your plan is to Tinker/Decay your way to victory.

As Smmennen and Kevin mentioned in SMIP, from a t1 hierarch (off cavern), this kills a jace on t3. That is really good, I think.

Wow, I actually had the exact opposite experience.

I've been playing it online, as well as in real life, and I find it to be so absurdly powerful - even w/o the brokenness of tinker for BsC and Yawg Will + Key+Vault.

I understand your argument, that a lot will likely abandon vintage champs, if they are european.

However, I cannot help but feel that BoM, if they see there won't be any problems with skipping the vintage event for a tournament of theirs, will be more inclined to do so in the future - considering that modern is really picking up pace, and will draw a lot more players than vintage would.

Hi all.

If you are not aware, Bazaar of Moxen is having another tournament this november and they are currently having a poll on what the second major event should be.

Right now, COMMANDER (I know right!) is leading with about 4 votes, which means there might not be any vintage at all, at this BoM!

I am therefore asking you all to help us fellow vintage-players getting BoM to host a vintage tournament.

You can vote on www.facebook.com/BazaarOfMoxen (you don't even have to like anything!)

Regards,
Every single european vintage-player that wants to go to Bazaar of Moxen this November.

ps. I am not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I figured it had to be, as it's "general community discussion"

Well, Bazaars and Workshops are really cheap online.

Ebay, MOTL or MagicCardMarket.eu.

I would most likely put them on MOTL and ebay first, as these two has the largest amount of visitors.

Hi all, I'm Anders from Denmark.

Played magic from 96-04, where I quit (and sold my collection, pretty bummed about it now :/)

Picked up magic back in '10 again, with Caw-Blade in standard etc, but I really disliked how magic is played today, in these formats, as I was mainly a combo-player earlier.

I got into vintage, about a year ago, and am trying to find money to purchase the cards again. However, being a student and all, it's hard to find this cash, so it's a slow process.

Really liking the site here, however, and reading about the format really just confirmed that this is where I belong (together with legacy).

Owned a very pretty beta Lotus back in 2001, I got as a gift from my parents.

Sold it 1.5 years later, when I quit magic (for the first time...).

Second lotus I got was in 2009, and I still have that one, even though it's just a fake (UL lotus...)

So stupid to sell BB P9. :/