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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: NO 8 KEEPER!!!! on: August 28, 2005, 11:37:46 am
Counter-lock//       16         

4 Force of will                 
4 Mana Drain
3 Counterspell
1 Twincast
4 Chalice of the void

Draw-tutor//       8

1 Fact or Fiction
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical tutor
1 Vampiric tutor
2 Cunning wish
1 Tinker

Removal//      9

4 engineered explosives
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Balance
1 Mind Twist
1 Disenchant

Win//      3
 
2 Morphling
1 Darksteel colossus

Land//      24

1 Stripmine
3 wasteland
4 Polluted delta
4 Tundra
4 Underground sea
7 Island
1 Sol Ring


The twincast is a good new to Vintage, A BLUE FORK!!! you can see an ancestrall or time walk duplicated only by two blue mana.

the crucible of wolrds is so interesting, wasteland is too common in this format and the double lands can get the graveyard easily. the fechlands are unlimited also. But I think its not indispensable.
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: NO 8 KEEPER!!!! on: August 28, 2005, 06:35:55 am
There's place for disenchant, yawgmoth's will, stifle, misdirection, vampiric, abyss ?

How many counters must contain? i think only 8 isn't enough

3 swords are good against the bigs but a savior one counter chalice will cut it, what about chainer's edict or diabolic edict?

Colossus-tinker is a good option, with the 8 zero artifacts (chalice-explosives) ((Is powder keg better than explosives?)) morphling is fine also, angel is too weak against swords and sparks. Some keeper decks plays decree of justice but it needs the mana from moxen

Probably i will replace the acc.know and intuition for scrying, mind twist and others, but there's a problem in drawing without the ancestrall, how would you replace it? (if somebody could replace an ancestrall)

Why not the dust blow?

Thank you for your helping
3  Eternal Formats / Creative / Powerless Keeper on: August 26, 2005, 07:57:13 pm
Hello guys i'm writting from Spain.

Every time i've read about keeper it includes the very expensive pack. What about the "other cards"?

I send you my personal version of the Deck without the pack:

counter-lock//  16

4 Force of will
4 Mana Drain
2 Misdirection
2 Counterspell
4 chalice of void

removal//   7

4 engineered explosives
1 swords
1 smother
1 balance

draw-tutors//  10

1 fact or fiction
1 demonic tutor
2 cunning wish
1 mystical tutor
1 intuition
4 accumulated knowledge

win//    3

3 morphling

lands//    24

2 wasteland
1 stripmine
1 dust blow
4 polluted delta
4 underground sea
4 tundra
7 island
1 sol ring


sideboard/////

1 disenchant
1 swords
1 diabolic edict
1 stroke of genius
1 meditate
1 allay
1 stifle
1 misdirection

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