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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Budget Blue - And How to Join Vintage.
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on: November 22, 2007, 07:43:09 am
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The problem harlequin, is that your own deck doesn't meet what you ask of it. It's actually quite awful! Wouldn't it be better to start with a deck with a chance rather than one that is just a mock-up of a real deck?
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Budget Blue - And How to Join Vintage.
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on: November 06, 2007, 11:33:43 am
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I agree with GUnit, other than playing fact in mono-u without power. The problem with the decklist is that Morphling, B2B and serendibs are not tier 1 cards. Building fish, while pricier, is probably a better start since it won't leave you as hobbled against powered decks. Goblins is another great example, the full deck will not be that expensive and you can play legacy with it aswell.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: WU Tang Wizards (formerly UR Fish 2K7)
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on: October 16, 2007, 09:12:56 am
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Raising the average manacost in this deck is a bad idea. Besides, the wizards you've mentioned are narrow, personally I belive they are too narrow even for the SB. How much have you played this deck? Mis-d is very important for forcing through spells, it and FOW are the glue of the deck. Sage is very important as a good one-drop.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: WU Tang Wizards (formerly UR Fish 2K7)
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on: October 11, 2007, 02:45:11 am
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In my admittedly limited testing with the deck I have found that Patron Wizard really wins games, especially with all the lean manabases to capitalize on, more than three is probably too many though for obvious reasons. The matchups it really shines in are flash, GT and GAT. It's less useful agains ichorid and stax, though you can sometimes lock stax under their own spheres with two wizards in play (including le patron). Basicly Patron Wizard gives you mana denial that works even agains the low mana decks of today, I love it to bits.
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Vintage Community Discussion / Card Creation Forum / Re: Not Quite Stifle
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on: October 09, 2007, 10:38:48 am
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I must admit I have trouble understanding why blue would need another stifle effect. Stifle, trickbind, interdict, teferis response... see where I'm going with this?  Natural quiet Instant Counter target activated or triggered ability. Instead of paying -cardname- mana cost, you may remove a green card from your hand from the game.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: WU Tang Wizards (formerly UR Fish 2K7)
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on: October 09, 2007, 01:39:09 am
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I concur with sextiger. Patron Wizard is sick in this deck.
From your post it's not totally clear if you've played the deck or if you're just talking in theory. I'd like to see you add a little more than "sick." In what matchups has he been best? Ever finding his tapping ability useless? Also, do you think he's better than mindcensor? Is there something other than Mindcensor you'd be looking to cut for Patron Wizard?
If you have tested the deck, do you think that I should increase the number of Patron Wizards in the deck, or do you think is the magical number of Patron Wizards in the deck?
-Eric
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Vintage Community Discussion / Card Creation Forum / Re: Not Quite Stifle
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on: October 08, 2007, 08:37:00 am
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Stop, in the name of love  Instant Counter target activated or triggered ability. Instead of paying NQS’s mana cost, you may remove a green card from your hand from the game. Green has voidslime and avoid fate in a similar vein, besides green needs more tricks 
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] So Many Insane Plays - GroAtog v. The World
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on: July 05, 2007, 09:13:19 am
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I disagree with above poster, it's quite clear that the aim with these articles is to stir discussion and since the mistake had already happened what's the point in correcting it in the article? I personally don't pay for premium to read about flawless games, that's not my kind of magic. Just imagine that GAT could play through nerfmerge, superman arbor and superid. It still won, isn't that in some wierd way a testament to it's power? GAT: "Even if you don't do exactly as the cards say you still lose to me"
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: U/W Landstill in 07
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on: April 15, 2007, 05:12:56 am
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Sorry for posting the list again, but it's relevant to my post. MAINDECK:60 Mana Base:26 4xTundra 2xFlooded Strand 2xPolluted Delta 4x Mishra's Factory 2x Faerie Conclave 4x Wasteland 1x Library of Alexandria 1x Strip Mine 1x Mox Sapphire 1x Black Lotus 1x Lotus Petal 2x Island 1x Plains
Draw:9 4x Brainstorm 4x Standstill 1x Ancestral Recall
combo/Removal:20 4x Force of Will 3x Prohibit 3x Mana Leak 2x Stifle 4x Swords to Plowshare 2x Nev's Disk 1x Balance 1x Crucible of Worlds
Wins:5 1x Decree of Justice 4x Meddling Mage
Maindeck white cards: 4x Swords to plowshares 4x Meddling mage 1x Decree of justice 1x Balance
These are all very very good cards, but I can’t help but wonder about other splashes worth considering. Given the low amount of stax not splashing another color seems foolish, at least that’s the way I see it. If we work from the mono-u skeleton suggested in this thread we have 10 slots for splashing. Black could give you confidant, duress and tutoring power. Not really as good as white. Red is interesting for blood moon, this would force less non-basics. You would also get blasts out of the board. It could be interesting against gifts decks. Green splash seems like a no-go, maybe a better deckbuilder than me could prove me wrong on the green?
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Vintage Community Discussion / Casual Forum / Re: Blue/Black "I Will Deck You" Deck by Sir Smudge
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on: April 15, 2007, 04:59:08 am
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IIRC the helm does nothing for flashback, though I could be wrong on that one. Future sight is essential for the combo. Besides it's quite awesome on it's own, it's hard to lose once you play it. The manacost is slightly prohibitive, and that is probably the reason sensei sensei is not tier 1 these days. You still get to run a host of awesome cards and you get to deck people 
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Vintage Community Discussion / Casual Forum / Re: Blue/Black "I Will Deck You" Deck by Sir Smudge
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on: April 05, 2007, 10:21:40 am
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If you want to mill in vintage you should search for the deck sensei-sensei. The deck you have posted is horribly slow, I'll wager T2 slivers could actually give you a run for your money. The problem with decking is that it fuels nearly all vintage decks until you actually have them draw the last card. Your ichorid matchup is probably 99% in favor of ichorid, or even more.
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Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Q&A The Third
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on: April 04, 2007, 03:31:15 am
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What do you think is needed for workshops to come back in force? As is now only rituals of "the big three" are really popular. If shops and drains really are in a downward trend rather than a fluke, how will the metagame then adapt?
Trinisphere.
No seriously, Shops need Trinisphere or a similar card. The reason why Shop decks were amazing during that time period was half because Trinisphere was a card that came down on turn 1 consistently and immediately had a significant impact on the opponent's resource development and plan down the road. Cards like Tangle Wire or Sphere of Resistance aren't going to make anyone change the fundamental plan of their deck, nor the tactical plan they've come up with in-game. They may be forced to adapt it slightly, but they simply don't do enough in the time frame given for them to be all that awesome.
Shops are amazing mana accelerants, but the cards they play all fall into one of three categories at the moment. 1. Slow threats (Juggernaut, Karn, etc.) 2. Stall (Tangle Wire, Sphere, Crucible with Strips, etc.) 3. Disruption (Smokestack, Possessed Portal, Uba Mask, etc.)
The problems with current Shop decks are that the vast majority of cards that fall under #2 aren't that strong or lose all of their power after a few turns. Then the #3 cards, the ones that are supposed to do the damage to the opponent and really make him work for a win are sloooooooow. Trinisphere is everything you love for breakfast, covered in gravy. It comes down early, it doesn't lose power as the game goes on and it does enough damage to game-plans that it can actually count as legitimate disruption.
What could save current Stax / Shop decks is if a legitimate search engine is found so it could shift gears from stall to disruption to finishing the game in one nice swoop. What the deck really needs is a Transmute Artifact that's colorless or at least a single colored mana. The closest right now is Bazaar + Welder, but that's slow and... well not so great.
Or Trinisphere. That would help a lot.
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Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: A TS/TS/PC draft night
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on: March 22, 2007, 09:32:55 am
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One archtype that is relatively easy to draft and suits players used to control is U/W slivers. Basicly you run combat tricks and some slivers. The MVP slivers are Watcher sliver, Poultice sliver and Synchronous sliver. Sinew sliver is nice but not essential. Most of these come late, often allowing you to get awesome tricks and fliers. Without a potent airforce you tend to get screwed over pretty bad. This archtype can go from pretty good to really awesome if you splash black and get the right rebels, blightspeaker, rathi trapper and saltfield recluse come to mind.
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