Thats not the point for grim-long i guess. Imperial Seal, Vampiric, Grims, FoW's(necropotence,Bargain,crypt, vault). These are the Spells that cost u life. If u add the Contract it might not change a thing for you, but still after contract resolves you have ~10 life left which is way enought for going off, or not. But the Contract can't be paid by offcolor, which makes it pretty bad for scenarios with Sol Ring, crypt, vault, offcolor mox(en) and maybe ESG.
So what can the Draw4 if u cant pay it. I know this scenario might be seldom.
Again: I'm not saying Null P. is crazy or nuts or something, but what if u build a Deck arround it? What happened with gifts ungiven? no one included it, first, but when gift's was invented, the deck was soo good. What I'm wondering about is, wether this might happen with the profusion, or if it's just too bad.

I saw this card yesterday and I already tried to build something with Culling the Weak. What I've come up to is the following:
This cards is damn good, if you can afford it! Every FUC**** card is a cantrip with this out. I tried it with the 0-Mana-Artifact-Critters, but it's still nuts, as soon as it's out. I did not need ANY will goldfishing like 30games. But, I fear a Deck monoB is not good, playing this. I ran Bargain also, but the Deck benefits far more from a Null Profusion.

I don't see why this card should be bad, because you CAN get so much mana in one turn with the rituals and ESG's and whatsoever else. Casting costs are not the problem of Bargain either, right? So why should they make Null Profusion sooo bad? CC5 would be ridiculous, because there are so many ways to get 5 mana, so 6 is quite ok.

I'm still not saying, that this card will definitely change Vintage, but I, for myself, will at least build some Decks around it, because I'm very sure this card is worth some tries!

So long(<-- ),

GexxX

I allways liked Fact or Fiction in Grow. It's even better than Gifts, because u have more Food for the Smiley.(especially if you play a lot of cantrips...)
To bad you can't get some drains. I believe Tog is not that good without Drains anyway. If I would build a Tog/Gro, I'd like to have either Intuition+AK, Gifts Ungiven/FoF, or something similar.
But why not try out something different? I like the Deck, but I think if everyone plays Fish/Stax/Gifts then you should try to find a Deck that beats up all three. Grow doesn't seem like a good choise, to me, but I am often wrong, so please prove me I am again!

I think much of what the guys before me mentioned depends on the next block and the cards printed in 'timespiral'.
The addition of Portal and the Kamigawablock formed the two Decks Grim and Gifts. (lol... the cards where in the Set's mentioned xD)

I believe we all hope for some nice vintage card's in '07 to build, test and PLAY some nice Decks, dominating Gifts and Grim! (or at least it's worth a try )

I am an exchange student and I'd like to play in the States, too. Anyways I have no Idea where to look for Magic dudes around here!
I stay in South Carolina right now, near Savannah! If anybody knows where I could find some nice guys to play Legacy, or JUST MAGIC with, please PM me!

ThX!

so far

GexxX