so when does the primer on this come out?
I gotta say, I goldfished about 60 games last night...and this deck hates me.  I get TONS of hands with all mana sources, or all heat but no blue mana sources, or all tutors but no heat, or hands that won't win through disruption...so I've got some doubts.  Not saying the deck is bad...just saying I might not be getting it.

I think his kill is to get them enough removed from game cards that they deck themselves in the main game.   Seems interesting that's for sure.

I'm sure this is going to sound like a horrible idea...but: Serum Powder?  I mean, you REALLY want to find a Leyline in the subgame...

that said, I went to a site to find errata on the card Shahrazad...and I kid you not, in all the errata list, this was also listed:

I think you'd be better off without Force Spike in the deck...more of the "free" counters would be good...like Foil.
that 1 extra mana can actually be a big deal in the early game for most Type 1 decks but it's absolutely useless as a counter past turn 2 I'd say.  Foil is at least a hard counter like Force.  The problem with running Foil though is that you NEED alot of card advantage drawers, not just card selection drawers (Brainstorm, Impulse) and playable card advantage is hard to find in Vintage.

Simple question I suppose:
Why is Lim-Dul's Vault not considered good enough for Vintage play?

Cons:
- provides card disadvantage
- costs life to be truly effective
- restrictive casting cost

Pros:
- digs deep into the deck (for the same cost in life as Vampiric Tutor you get 15 cards deep and you can set up your next 5 draws)
- pitchable to FoW


Just wondering and looking for some insight.

yeah the first turn Chalice @ 0 was a huge play that pretty much neutered the rest of my game since I couldn't see a green source.

correct...for some dumb reason I did not fetch green mana...don't ask me why.

quoted so people will reread what nataz said.

I kept a hand of Nimble Mongoose, land, land, Ancestrall, Time Walk, Brainstorm, Orim's Chant.  I figured it didn't need first turn Force against you and Ancestrall, Timewalk and Brainstorm were good enough to keep the hand.  Problem was that I drew into NOTHING good and fetched the wrong land and left myself with the wrong colors of mana.
Still...your deck went broken against mine and you won every counter war we had...I don't think there was a thing I could do in that matchup...and you were an enjoyable opponent.

I think you should reiterate the fact that you had TRIPLE Sphere of Resistence against me game 2...TRIPLE!

seriously though...you play that deck incredibly well and it should start winning you even more power.

if this topic truly were a discussion about the article it'd be one thing...but it's not...this whole topic is dedicated to slamming Rizzo and SCG for "destroying" the format.
I'm sorry, but if that one article were all it took to destroy the Vintage format...was it really a healthy format anyway?
Also...I don't see one place where Rizzo seriously said he understood Vintage...I see a whole lot of places where he said he didn't have a clue about Vintage and Legacy and he wasn't sure the deck really would work.
Seems to me that some of the posts in this topic are getting pissed over 1 or 2 sentences that were said in jest...what a wonderful way to make people want to play Type 1.

sure

 

that was part of my point though...he wrote what people wanted him to...and honestly, like someone else in this thread said...he was RIGHT about how Vintage breaks down.
there is absolutely nothing wrong in that assessment.
Also...even JDizzle went into the forum post on SCG about this article and supported that point by saying:
From what I see, that fully supports what Rizzo said...if JDizzle meant to stress the "not doing anything to stop your opponent" part then he should have cause that sentence sure looks like it's saying "turn 4 isn't fast enough for Vintage".

Anyway...the point I'm trying to get across mostly is that Rizzo is not an idiot, he did not write that article to intentionally "harm" Vintage and I am willing to bet that if you emailed him and said: "You should have done some more research into Vintage before using your influence as an SCG writer to make it appear as a degenerate format"...he would respond in a kind fashion.

I'm sorry...but Rizzo is one of my favorite writers, not because of content but because of attitude...which is "fun"...and coming in here and seeing tons of insults about the guy from people who probably wouldn't say it to his face (though JDizzle did say it to his avatar at SCG) just kinda bothered me.

holy touchy subject batman!

honestly...if you take Rizzo seriously...then you aren't getting the point.  Even John Friggin Rizzo doesn't take Rizzo seriously.
The Ichorid deck was a deck he came up with to play for fun.  Some Pro's saw it and said: "Wait a tick...this is interestingly broken" then they tweaked it and it became the monster it is in Extended now.
Rizzo was scheduled to write the SCG Daily articles this week and asked people what they wanted to hear about...they told him to write about Friggorid in Vintage so he did.  People do not read Rizzo articles for the latest tech...if they do, and they decide that Friggorid is the deck they're gonna play in Vintage...guess what...easy match win for you at your next tournament.
As for his writing abilities.  That's up to each individual reader to assess...personally I think the man is hilarious, but I couldn't care less what he writes about...I just enjoy his way of thinking and the puns that he comes up with.  He could write about his blender and I'd probably laugh...just because you don't find it funny doesn't mean it's not funny to someone else...that's the worst example of self-centeredness I've ever seen.

Also...those players that believe that Type 1 is all about who wins the coin flips...let em...they are ALSO the people you don't want to actually play Vintage because they're pigheaded and closedminded.
Also also...there is 2-land Belcher out there.  First Type 1 tourney I played in I faced JDizzle and lost turn 1 and turn 2.  Type 1 IS fast and broken...but so is Extended and Legacy...and any format larger than Type 2.

All in all...Type 1 players have a "bad" reputation for being condescending...this entire topic generally supports that view...you don't want to support the negative and FALSE views that people have of you.