4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Mountain
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
1 Wooded Foothills

1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Ruby

4 Lightning Bolt
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Rakdos Charm

4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Piledriver
1 Goblin Recruiter
1 Goblin Tinkerer
1 Stingscourger
4 Warren Instigator
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Earwig Squad


this is what im gonna run tonight at FNM

no i get that totally, and im sure ina  onth or two ill be on the same page, but for me right now, i just want to learn the combo part of kiki-jiki then ill switch over to a food chain version then get a more competitive version and along the way understand what these other decks are, i have played against 5 kinds of vintage decks, im still at the point where when someone plays a tinker, im not sure if i should counter it or not. all im asking now is ill say what my goal is and hope someone can help me. this is the only active vintage goblin area of the entire internet that i have found, mtgsalvation, reddit.com, and cockatrice are all big big letdowns, as everyone i talk to just says "dont play goblins"

as far as designing a suboptimal deck, ill build mine for the decks i play against for right now and thats it. no point in me building a deck that can beat dredge if no one i know has a dredge deck, im not trying to win a vintage tournament. not yet at least. any help is appreciated. and ill share everything i learn with you guys so maybe just maybe i can return the favor. (longshot lol)

turn 1 maybe not but turn 2 is a possibility.

also the whole netdecking thing...i get that there are smarter people than me, and i have no problem playing someone else's deck at first, but i want to play my own decks. if i win with my own deck that means more to me than winning with someone else's deck, magic isnt my job. i do not need to win above all else. i think im smart enough and with enough practice and time can figure something out that others cant or wont. until them im here to take advice and learn. i took a net deck to the tournament i went to. and learned alot, now im building my own and would like to hear honest feedback about it.

(Omitting Demonic Consultation from any gobs list that can reliably produce black mana is a mistake.)
I dont get how that is good in a goblin deck that already has tutors in matron and recruiter and ringleader? why would i exile cards to get to a goblin when i already have several ways to get them? i would consider demonic tutor first if i needed it, but when im playing i never really have a problem searching for what i need at that moment, but again, i do not speak from a position of knowledge on the subject matter, i have only really been playing vintage for like 2 weeks so far. i accept that i am missing something when people suggest cards.


(Unlike Legacy where stopping Counterbalance and Diving Top (into miracles) is critical, the closest Vintage has is Oath of Druids. Krosan Grip isn't a valid answer to Vintage workshop decks.)
i like the split second to stop storm decks, is there another artifact hate card that does that, or another sideboard card i dont know about that stops storm decks? or am i using that card wrong?

(Grafdigger's Cage and dedicated artifact removal are better strategies.) ok, ill look at them.

(The rest of my objections are more contentious and meta dependent. Regardless, you need to explain why you aren't netdecking. Ie. Why you're using strategies from legacy instead of one of the posted builds.)

I am doing a little of both. like i said im getting into the format, i would like to playa  goblin build that has the ability to kill on turn 1 or two. which kiki-jiki allows me to do.

here is a write up of the tournament that someone famous in magic and poker won, i dont know who's famous in this game but maybe ya'll know him.  heres the decklist i ran,

Lands:
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Strip Mine
3 Taiga
3 Wasteland
3 Wooded Foothills

Artifact:
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby

Spells:
3 Lightning Bolt

Creatures:
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Piledriver
2 Goblin Recruiter
1 Goblin Tinkerer
3 Stingscourger
4 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Goblin Chieftain
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
2 Earwig Squad

Sideboard:
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
4 Krosan Grip
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Earwig Squad

ok so lets get into it, i went 2-2 and finished in 9th place of 18. Dave williams ( @dwpoker ) split first with Lou Christopher ( @louchristopher ) both ran Burning Long.

Match 1 - win - (1-0)

Opponent Joe Mckeller ( @joeymac399 ) [this guy is behind all these vintage events]
he was running Landstill

game 1 loss (0-1)
i had a slow start and he made me feel it by recurring a Wasteland on my lands, my lesson, always put at least 1 basic into a vintage deck. i was locked out and had to scoop turn 3 but i made him beat me and didnt scoop so i could see more of his deck to know what i was facing (my first vintage tournament and first vintage play off Cockatrice)

game 2 win (1-1)
I had a quick start with a piledriver on turn 1 with the help of a mox, then cast another and a lackey turn 2, he couldnt stop me and i swung 4 times for the win.

game 3 win (2-1)
sometimes in magic, your opponent mull's to 3....this is what happened. i won easily and he didnt do anything besides an Ancestral Recall into nothing....or maybe he didnt even do that, it was bad...


Match 2 - loss - (1-1)

Opponent Tony Guitierez (sp?)
he was running workshop.

game 1 loss (0-1)
he turn 1 lomestone golem'd me and i was 1 mana behind what i needed for 4 turns as he beat in with a 5/3 then played another had 2 mana, needed 3, got to 3 he made it so i needed 4 to cast anything. was a complete beating..hard to beat a turn 1 5/3 that makes everything cost 1 more..a better Thalia.

game 2 loss (0-2)
i had no creatures, went land hate and used 2 wastelands and a Strip Mine. he drew perfectly and dropped the 5/3 and then another, i had the Krosan Grip sided in and in hand, but he just drew the nuts, and had it. i played him 4 more times as everyone else was still playing and we split, 2/2 un sideboarded. if i could get the lackey out and then bolt his golem, i had the game, if i couldnt deal the Tangle Wire would mollywhomp me.

Match 3 - loss - (1-2)

Opponent Lou
he was running burning long

game 1 loss (0-1)
he got a Griselbrand out turn 2 and went off...i had the Stingscourger in hand, but priority never passed. tough to beat storm when they draw 14 ...

game 2 win (1-1)
my sideboard made its presence felt. i turn 1 Wasteland and Mox Ruby, his turn killed his land, and countered something with Red Elemental Blast. next turn he tried to get out a Sol Ring and go off but i krosan grip'd him and then swung for lethal with a piledriver while he drew blanks. i somehow played it perfectly and he drew what he didnt need. he said that Wasteland was what cost him that game.

game 3 loss (1-2)
another turn 2 Griselbrand...couldnt stablize, even managed to get an Earwig Squad out and took out 3 threats, but he built his deck well enough that i couldnt Hit all the threats and got me real good turn 6

Match 4 - win - (2-2)

Opponent Derrick Guittierez (sp?) my round 2 opponents cousin
he was running BUG Fish

game 1 loss (0-1)
got him to 9 then he stablized with a goyf and overran me...

game 2 win (1-1)
i had a perfectly timed Red Elemental Blast after swinging for 10 with piledrivers, and he miscalculated and i got a surprise win thanks to REB

game 3 win (2-1)
game was pretty close, i played almost perfectly got him to 6 and let a Dark Confidant stay on the board and turn 6 he revealed a blightsteel collossus losing 11 Life giving me the win

hello everyone. I am new to this website and magic, (back in after a 10 year break) I am a goblin fan, i recently got into magic at m13 and got tired of standard real quick. and met some people in las vegas that play all the eternal formats, they talked me into playing and i now have a goblin deck in every format. long story short, im super excited about vintage. i hope you all have some patience with me. i have gone thru this thread while awaiting admin approval and tried to soak up as much info as i could. i attended my first vintage tournament with a bad deck and went 2-2 and finished 9th of 18. i realized there is a very big diffrence between reading about vintage and actually playing it. so i am in the process of playing some cockatrice and some live vintage games to kinda feel out what i want vs what i need to do. heres what im working with right now.

Lands:
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Cavern of Souls
2 Mountain
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 Wooded Foothills

Artifacts:
1 Black Lotus
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby

Creatures:
4 Goblin Lackey
1 Skirk Prospector
4 Goblin Piledriver
1 Goblin Recruiter
1 Goblin Tinkerer
1 Stingscourger
2 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Goblin Chieftain
4 Goblin Matron
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
2 Lightning Crafter
1 Earwig Squad
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

Sideboard:
1 Mox Emerald
2 Taiga
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Krosan Grip
4 Leyline of the Void