I couldn't agree more! I'm realy looking forward to see what TMD can become!!!

This is the exact readon why i love Serenity so much right now. Even if they go Cage, RiP AND Needle.

On the topic of Dredge being too slow, i've tried Sun Titan and Fatestitcher. Sun Titan is not in the yard when i want/need it (probably the same with a one-off Griseldaddy). Fatestitcher is a matter of opinion. If I want to play it, i would like at least 2 (see Sun Titan). But i would rather have the consisticy this deck has now.
Going fast only matters against DPS and Belcher. But they can kill you on T1 or T2 anyways. If we're on the draw, making the deck go faster is moot.
Hence i play maindeck (free) hate for them in the form of Leyline. Just give them a speedbumb for 1/2/3 turns. It's all Dredge needs to win.

Not playing Dredge is wrong imho. You want to test diffrent match-ups. The Meta is still in flux, so get your Bazaars and test the diffrent new and old lists.
A well prepared Vintageplayer will always pack enough Dredge hate. Especially going to a non-proxie event!
I for one would like to know if i can beat a player through maximum hate. It gets you well prepared for all the rounds in a tournament.

Just my $0.02

Exactly the same here. Anything but workshops. Power, Duals, everything blue and everything Dredge is what i've got.

Agreed!
That's why I see a lot of UWR Pyromancer.
But I didn't say Mentor was away, I just see more and more Pyromancers (returning).

Mentor coming down a turn later is a big deal vs a deck that can go T2/3 imo.

So going into 2016, i noticed a few things last month(s):

1) Aggro Shops put MUD back on the map.
2) TPS is back.
3) U(g) Belcher is rising in popularity.
4) Since all of the above happened, the format has become faster. Therefor I see more Pyromancer and less Mentor.
5) Dredge is played less.

To start with 5); this means more people will run less graveyard hate in their sideboards.

This is a great time to play Dredge, if tuned well...

I think 2) can be handled with Leyline of the Void. It shuts off Dark Petition and Yawgmoth's Will. It's also still a great card in the mirror.
To be on the safe side AND help with 3), I think I want Leyline of Sanctity as well.

4) Is actualy a good thing for Dredge, since 1/1's are smaller than Dredge's 2/2 Zombies.

This leaves me with 1), wich is easily handled by Serenity and Ingot Chewer.

The list I will be playing the next few months will look like this:

4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Dakmor Salvage
3 Mana Confluence
3 Petrified Field
4 Undiscovered Paradise

4 Bloodghast
1 Dragonlord Kolaghan
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
2 Golgari Thug
3 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Stinkweed Imp

4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Dread Return
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Serum Powder

//sideboard
4 Barbarian Ring
4 Ingot Chewer
1 Riftstone Portal
3 Serenity
3 Wispmare

I had to make room for 4 Leyline of Sanctity, that's why I don't run the full Thug/Salavge-Ichorid package, nor the full 4 Petrified Field.

I'm not a fan of Nature's Claim, since it loses to Mental Misstep. I don't want to run Misstep myself, but rather have more impactfull cards.
Setenity helps against a big MUD board AND multiple hate cards on the board (Rest in Peace + Grafdigger's Cage comes to mind).

Against Oath, I think Leyline of Sanctity is better since it can't be Abrupt Decay'ed or countered, and shut's off Oath T1 on the draw as well.

Barbarian Ring is just great against Containment Priest and Yixlid Jailer, and helps against Pyromancer (and to some merit Mentor).

I didn't want to run fewer than 3 Petrified Field, but couldn't make room for it in the main.

I ran Sun Titan and 1-2 Fatesticher for speed, but 1 or 2 Leyline buyes enough time against TPS and Belcher to still win fast enough. This also gave me the option to drop 1 Mana Confluence and add a Riftstone Portal. It really helps to more reliably cast Wispmare and Serenity.

Enjoy your New Years Eve and may all your opening 7s contain a Bazaar (and a Leyline) in 2016!


EDIT: After some testing, I made a minor adjustmenst. I switched Riftstone Portal and the SB Petrifield Field.

You're right,
My bad!

0, EE, Deed and Ratchet Bomb for 0 will kill them.

Is just the next iteration of the new Grow list.
Tokens, counters and the possibility to combo out. I've played the old list (pre-champs, so without the Probe-Therapy pack) and liked it a lot.
This has Mentor and Swords to Plowshares in stead of Pyromancer and Ancient Grudge, plus a few tweaks.
I like it, though Mentor being +1 cmc and cutting the off-colour Mox seems counterintuitive.
Quite interested to hear thoughts and experiences!

There is Sejiri Steppe. Though I think that will be beter with Crop Rotation, since it's an instant...

How about running 4 Dark Confidant main and have a thransformational Sideboard into Oath?

Some cards you might want to play:

Wasteland
Life from the Loam
Bojuka Bog
Crop Rotation
Abrupt Decay
Dark Confidant

Just my $0,02

Thank you for the detailed explanation!

I only count 8 B...

It's not the Ichorid food I'm worried about, more the +2 dredge (or rather -2 dredge on Salvage). But I can see the advantage Salvage makes for Bloodghast and our mana.

What's your plan against the new Thirst for Knowledge Vault/Key decks (big blue / some city vault)?
And vs Combo (Blue Belcher and TPS)?
Just (try to) outrace them?

I think 1 Ancient Grudge in the main might help against at least 3 of the afore mentioned decks, as well as being good against MUD. I don't like it in the side, because a) the side is lean and clean and b) i feel like having a mainboard option against those "oops I win!" combo's these 3 decks have.
If you were to replace 1 card for Ancient Grudge, what would it be?

Not realy a sideboard question, but I saw the post-B&R list from mr. Brophy and couldn't quite comprehend some of the changes.
Basically it was his Eternal Weekend list
- FKZ, + Dragonlord
-2 Mana Confluence, +1 Riftstone Portal, +1 Karakas
-1 Thug, +1 Dakmor Salvage
Sideboard:
-4 Nature's Claim, +4 Serenity

Dragonlord has been discussed. Serenity and Riftstone Portal as well.
But can someone tell me why change Thug for Salvage and why play Karakas?

Is Karakas for the Oath matchup (due to Serenity being worse in that matchup than Nature's Claim)?
Or is it a hedge agains baby Jace? Or is it to bounce Dragonlord and/or Elesh Norn to protect them from Swords to Plowshares?


One other question I have is: Would it help to play 1 Maindeck Ancient Grudge as a hedge against Vault/Key oriented decks?

Dragonlord also gives haste the next turn (if there will be one). FKZ only gives your team haste once.
He flies, so he's better vs (Magus of the) Moat.

@gkraigher:
He does not prevent those cards from being played IF your opponent has a copy of it in his/her graveyard.
And even than it will cost them 10 life, so they MIGHT be able to cast them and pay the life...
Also note that is says CAST, so it won't trigger with something like Oath, Show and Tell or any other alternative way of putting said cards onto the battlefield.

Hey Arjan!

Nice to see you here! Enjoy the forum!

In Gush Storm; Yawgmoth's Will or Tendrils of Agony most likely.
With the usual 14 land, 5 moxen, lotus an gushbond, using it as your finisher wouldn't be that hard. Maybe add Sol Ring or even Crypt.

From the Mothership:

Bring to Light   3UG

Sorcery

Converge-Search yor library for a craeture, instant or sorcery with
converted mana cost less than or equal to the number of colors
of mana spent to cast ~, exile that card, then shuffle your library.
You may cast that card without paying it's mana cost.

Maybe in a BUG Gushbond shell...

I can inmagine scenario's where you want to deal damage to a source, but your opponent has played Rest in Peace, Leyline, Tormod's and the like or even Trap and you wouldn't have Threshold. Sudden Shock doesn't have that problem.
On the other hand I don't know many decks that play a combination of graveyard sweepers AND a creature you want to kill... Maybe Leyline & Jailer and RiP & Priest are the most common combinations...

I guess my question is: Did any of you ever had a situation where you weren't able to activate Ring where you wanted/needed to?

LSV has been streaming a Mentor variant. I haven't watched it, so I don't know if he actually liked it or thought it was good enough, but I tought I'd share it.

Hi! My name is Anne Frits. I'm 32 years old and live in the Netherlands. I started playing Magic at the time of the Urza block and stopped after Apocalypse. Then rediscovered the game when Future Sight came out. It was the time of Flash and Meandeck Tendrils. It was also the time I started playing Vintage. At first I tried some unpowered combo-decks (wich didn't deliver). Then I decided to save money and acquire P9. Since then I've been playing TPS, East Coast Wins, Hatebears, Delver, Grow, Gushcombo, (Pitch) Burning Tendrils, Oath and now Gifts. So almost anything but Dredge and Workshop.
I've been reading TMD since 2011, but never signed up. But hey, better late than never!