Yeah but 2-3 top8 doesnt make a deck good. I am sure the pilot had a bigger part in the triumph of the deck. Even if the dragon was an akroma i am sure he would have won ^^
After all, most of the time all that matters is resolving oath.

However

I see the strenght of your arguments, i think i just loved the gameplan of the tutor and it is outdated now. Sad.

Ill give a try to the new beasts.

Thanks

Kozo

Why would dromoka be a better oath target in a TFK environement?
Ok she (is a girl) can't be countered, big deal. Otherwise she does'nt add anything to the board against a control deck. No draw7, no tutor, nor "dontcastspellswithevencosts".
Note that she doesn't cut counterspells on opponent's turn ,thoses who really matters.

I do agree with your arguments (except for the graveyard one, siding graveyad hate against oath seems weak, you still have to deal with a big deamon that just tutored a manadrain)
they are quite valid and point the weaknesses of a combo version of oath.

Do you think they outweight the problems i exposed on the griselbrand version?
I am a bit hesitant on the question, the current meta seems hard to GB with plenty of answers in sideboards.

Kozo.

Hi!

I know this is an old question, but necromancy-thread is not my taste and times have changed.

I am trying tu rebuild my old Oath deck and when the choice of the oath target comes, i miserably fail to see the advantage of running griselbrand over Runescarred demon. As a reminder, the combo with RSD is :

-oath RSD,
fetch time walk, draw, play timewalk
pass

-oath RSD
fetch something to replay TW (noxious revival) swing with the 1st demon

-repeat

SO, When comparing to GB,
-You dont give your opponent another turn (which is huge in vintage)
-you dont care beeing jaced, swordtoplowsared, bounced, etc
-you dont care about your life total (i dont know you but for my part when i oath i already took a lot of dammage from many things, spirit tokens, delver, talia, golems, etc, preventing you to draw 7 twice or even once)
-you just cant loose when you oath wich can be different with GB depending on what you draw.

The only way to fizzle is to flip noxious, yawgmoth and timewalk and let memory journey in the library. (which can happen but is unlikely)

In fact, draw7 (lands/mox/irrevelant things) leave me cold when i can have a recursible time walk and win on the spot (provided your opponent didnt draw an absurd set of counterspells during the "oath waiting turn")

So, did i miss something? What is the point of running Griselbrand? "Draw7 is great in vintage" seems not an acceptable answer compared to demonic tutor every turn. No one can survive a guy that makes demonic tutor for three turns. :p

Thanks in advance!


here is the decklist for curious people, pretty standard.

5 moxes
1 black lotus
1 lotus petal
1 solring
4 Forbidden orchard
2 underground sea
2 tropical island
2 island
5 fetches

3 Runescarred Demons

1 time walk
1 yawgmoth will
1 noxious revival
1 momory journey
1 demonic tutor
1 vampiric tutor

4 fow
3 manadrain
3 mentalmisstep
1 misdirection
3 thoughseize

1 ancestral recall
1 brainstorm
1 jace
3 prordain

1 abrupt decay
1 echoing truth

4 oath of druidz
1 time vault
1 voltaic key


Kozo.

Hi!

My name is François (i am french), 30years old . Playing MTG since the 4th edition and vintage player since the printing of tezzeret.
I have been an ardent reader of this forum and decided to register.