I just don't see how banning money cards makes any sense.  I agree it sucks to have to pony up 200 bucks for a playset of bob's.  However I played some standard without owning big jace, just baby jace.  People need to either stop wasting their money on random boosters and just save up for staples they know they will use OR they need to play a deck they can afford.

Sorry if I am bitter, but coming off somebody who has been playing since invasion I know I feel a sense of pride when I unlock the ability to play a new deck.  I like that my cards retain value.  Wizards is doing the right thing with the reserve list.  Having a format with a high barrier of entry but guaranteed appreciation of the value of your deck is good.  A format that rotates yearly is also good.  If only eternal or standard existed, the game would have died.  However, having both a format you can invest in and a format you keep up with is great for the game as people can choose to spend their money how they please. 


I wish everybody owned a playset of every card so everyone could play what they wanted.  I'm sorry we can't all play the same deck, but if we did it would just be lame and stale.

nafest htrowslle si a loot!

Arabs have rabbits?

I'll drive the van brassy, you lure them.

Is this fucking twilight bunny?

PS I hope to got you guys play.  I predict a 1-1-1 draw with the rabbits screwing up soly's sideboarding plans.

Primaries
Demonic Attorney
the 1/3 that can't untap unless you pay 1
iamfishman! (he should play for once)

Understudies
Tool
LaPlante
ELD

edit: you all have my eternal support, pun intended

I am going to try to play ANT minus the power 9.  So I need to cut saph/jet/recall/lotus.

What do I replace them with?

+1 LED/1 Wheel/1 land/?

Except the goalie sees all the play.  PIMP!

Nope

The format is staying.  :-/.  I just don't want to have to play oath every week to do well.

He will not change the format.  The same 4 people win week after week, and people complain. 

No.  In fact it is worse than previous because now they can't even proxy things like forces to stop us from playing whatever we have the cards for.

Basically take the current vintage restricted/banned list
-5 mox
-lotus
-time walk
-timetwister
-ancestral recall

I guess I can play the DD deck.

That does seem fun!

Could I include blue you think or strictly mono black?

Did you read the thread?

I was hoping not to keep playing oath, it does get boring.  Any other ideas?

Ok so my local store owner tried to solve the problem of the older guys crushing the newer players in vintage.  His fix was to ban the power 9 and then make it 0 proxy.  Essentially I feel we are playing a bastardized legacy with skullclamp and oath. 

I threw together a legacy dredge list by max mcall but it didn't do amazing.  The week before I played legacy MUD and it won.  My friend played counterbalance oath and won today.

What decks could I reliably put together to win there?

I do not own mishra's workshops/bazaars.

I do own 4 drains/4 force/32 duals/38 fetch/etc so building some stuff is not quite problematic. 

What is a decent deck I can throw together for next sunday and do well?

Thanks, and if in wrong forum please move as I am getting used to the change,

Lets pretend time is running short in the round.  I am playing Control.  My opponent is playing a TPS variant.  He proceeds to say, show me a counter and I scoop.  I reveal some counter, and he proceeds to do something like cabal therapy away the named card and win.  Does the verbal agreement he stated mean anything in terms of a judge and/or penalties? 

Make it like chain and have it only apply after the first draw per turn.

Well my best attempt at being creative so far (it's awfuuuul)


// Lands
    4 [JGC] Gemstone Mine
    4  City of Brass
    4  Forbidden Orchard
    3  Undiscovered Paradise

// Creatures
    4  Hermit Druid
    1  Darksteel Colossus
    1 [ARB] Lord of Extinction
    1  Sutured Ghoul
    4  Street Wraith
    4  Narcomoeba

// Spells
    1 [V09] Mystical Tutor
    4  Accumulated Knowledge
    2  Intuition
    2  Sensei's Divining Top
    1  Mana Crypt
    1 [V09] Lotus Petal
    1  Mox Sapphire
    1  Demonic Tutor
    4  Cabal Therapy
    1  Ponder
    1  Brainstorm
    4  Force of Will
    1  Dragon Breath
    1  Tinker
    1  Dread Return
    4  Careful Study

What fun controlish decks exist that won't brutally destroy a newb infested metagame?

Fun combos?

No, that wasn't me.  That was Oneofchas! 

Yea I guess I forgot about me playing in that Waterbury.  Ok, aside that I have not played in a year...I think.

Won today with elf combo.  It steamrolled everything, so I now need a more fun deck.  Maybe fastbond-crucible combo?

I was thinking of playing something dumb like a bad version of belcher or something.  Or combo affinity.  Something funny.  Hermit druid is going to get owned by all the creature hate!

I also don't have the time vault for that deck.  I was hoping not to piss people off, and making it so they can't play spells seem a tad dick. 

I don't have any expensive stuff at all aside loa/4 drain.

So it's been a good year since I've really played magic.  My store now does type 1 with power nine being banned and it is zero proxies.  So seeing as how I only have a sapphire, I am down with that.  The store isn't very competitive so I'd like to poll and see if there is a slightly tier 2 deck that would be fun to play (I have drains, fetches, duals etc).  I am also up to revive any dead archtypes.
-Dave

Travis's retirement is like Farve's.  He says he is going but what we really know is going to happen is that he will come back as the best drain control player of 2010.

Just callin it.

The only measurement worth noting about him.

jk.

Rock on and remember this tournament isn't a fucking drug cartel.

I thought Dutch-Jacking was where you run up to a little kid and steal his legos.  Now I'm confused. 

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No wonder people assume magic players dwell in a cave.