There is a legacy deck my good friend uses with sensei's diving tops. Could those be useful here as maybe an alternate win condition with something like brain freeze or even ToA or is that too elaborate for this deck and it should just be more focused. Heres the theory anyways, if for some reason you cant get lich's mirror online you can still do something like doomsday, ancestral channel top top ToA. which could be another win condition if something goes wrong or if you dont need 100 mana and could just win if you had a few free storm

I think he was refering to Brian Demars new list of what he thinks contol slaver should be which can be found here

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=36516.msg508924#new

Well damn if you havent come back from the dead, i havent heard from you ever now, anyways  how was shops for you and why was gathan riders the MVP 2/2 i remember playing lists forever ago that proved factories greatness but i dont understand Riders, also while im talking about shop decks are there any new cards fomr ALA that seem like they will find a place here

Eric, do you feel that even threads is better then control magic or even better then that sower of temptation. Sure both of those cards cost one more but they also can take DCS Oathed Creatures, Shop aggro guys, and they still can take all the same little doods that threads can

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/article/13186.html

Honestly that would probly be the place to start. Of course you would have to cut 3 merchant scrolls and 3 brainstorms to even make it legal but there are tons of things that can be put in like more time spirals. It seems though that we would not be getting the best time spiral possible if we expect to go off on turn 2-3

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First and formost i have to say i told you all so. Also, maybe this doesnt need to be in blue stax maybe 5C could make a  serious comeback since it plays like 7 rainbow lands and then moxen lotus and stuff to be able to get blue eisier. I think that this card will be better in 5C because 5c isnt restricted to playing suboptimal locks.

wait but even if the card costs 3U and it is an artifact like all the creatures in the format costing colored mana but still be called artifacts, then couldnt this be casted off a workshop and blue mox/lotus/blue mana off a mana base.

This will also stop one of the decks that are undeniably gonna be a top deck, Tezzeret Combo, because if they cant find they're singleton time vault then they lose and its not like your only gonna have like one threat

Congrats on tenth and thanks for the report, you say AK was garbage all day. In all the instances you played Inuition for AK AK AK how many of them would have been better or worse if it had been Inuition --> DA DA DA. I understand what you mean on fastbond in testing it in most any deck in the post-gush era it seems like its ok for the first few turns but nothing too special and then its just plain dead in the mid to late game so it acually does something for about 3-4 turns and then i would rather have a grizzly bear.  You also said regrowth was pretty hot in this deck but do you think that maybe DT could go a 4C way and splash red for recoup so you could make busted Intuition  piles such as regrowth recoup will --> win. One last thing what was the exact list you played???

I have looked through both these threads on the top decks and bug fish and what do you suggest a potential sb would be

EDIT: sry just noticing ththe bug fish thread says dont ask for a sb so then what would you play in tyhe boaRd going into a completely unknown meta

control is not neccasarily a good match for belcher or for this it seems. it seems like when playing this deck there would be no way you could play the control role against a hardcore control deck like Slaver, this deck runs a total of 8 spells that could have any control over what your opponent does. what im basicly trying to say is with this deck and kinda belcher you have to just go all in as fast as possible in the control matchup and hope for the best and get your xantid swarms ready which is another thing this deck cant even play because right now its mono-blue. also i think some sort of bounce spell is in order here because what happens when your opponent says mana crypt island tinker--> DCS go. I dont think this deck is fast enough to win against that. I also dont like the theory behind ancient tomb, shops would accelerate this deck a lot also because helm is an artifact and shops do that. so tombs should be cut for shops, i know people are gonna say now that tombs can help play TFK's  but thats honestly it really.

you also have to ask yourself how is this better then 2 Land Belcher

it falls short to pithing needle just like belcher and belcher has a consistant turn 2 win in competant hands. i aggree with asi that this could become a rebel combo deck if stuff like dark rit was added and maybe with a lot of tweaking it may become as consistant as belcher

maybe there will be a deck formed around time walking enough times in a row to just win. maybe it will be URg because then you could recoup and regrowth and time walk and then do that enough timez, it could also play the painter kill if it needed to because that is a colorless combo.  any ideas?

I have been playing this deck over the past few days and i may be going out on a limb here but i think SP is better then brainstorm, and defanately better then ponder, but when it comes to sideboarding i have never brought in the stax package against any one, by the way it seems i guess im just playing wrong so can someone tell me simple sb options to take out to add wastelands and balls. rack and ruin is the first card i reach for in allmost every match, followed by crypt then echoing.

EDIT: Is it just me or is this the same list jimmy played +1 crypt -1 petal, and the sb is only 14 cards im gonna assume the 15th is EE.

the newest list you posted is only 59 cards, whats up with that. Was there a sb strategy that you did every game two, such AS swap tyrants for platz and then continue to side from there.

this list feels like a RB/w Bazaar Painter list you posted a while ago. If given the ability would you play all 5 moxen. And was the blessing for the random Painter Mirror, because i dont think this would have a problem against Oath

how did the singular hand disruption card and 2 stifles work against combo decks for you, it seems like they would roll you over,

All in all though it looks like an interesting deck to play, albight be kinda strange, how does it play, like gifts or it kinda seems like it plays out like Cerebreal Assassin, control the game using strange cards like intuition until you combo out all of a sudden and then just win.

Ok, I think what you are saying is that in the top8 still, Paul won the match against Jamie so that Paul could continue onto the top4, so  then:
how can that possibly work because after Jamie got beat in the top8 by paul isnt his tournament over.


Or, did Paul simply win the top8 match and now the top4 is playing out.

How does this make sense, from the way Soly puts it Mr. Type 4 wasnt even in the top8

UPDATE:

TK knocked Soly out of the top8

I don't play this deck but what i imagine will get said is that they serve different purposes. I feel Mana leak is meant completely for slowing your opponent down in the early game. Negate on the other hand can slow someone down early game but doesn't stop first turn bob or Tarmogoyf, even though it can be played later in the game. Being the format that it is right now though, Mana Leak is great because combo is so rampant and so Mana Leak is good for most of the game and is able to counter bob where negate cant

Oh ok, i thought someone had said Oath already won, and btw, how did you do becker

is there a top8 update, or who won update would be even better. Btw, what other events are happenning right now, for those of us who follow legacy is that happenning

About the sideboard i think that if you could get away with as much 1 or less costing artifacts so that trinket mage could tutor them up, then your all the better. I would like to hear from becker on this too but how difficult would it be to change to a white, almost transformational sb with salvagers and tundra's or something, i know that everyone in the forums has been saying how bad salvagers is compared to magus but i think they do somewhat different things. Salvagers in GY based and there is no way your opponent would think to side in crypts or leylines against you because the Main Deck does not show as though it is graveyard reliant at all. Also, it would open the sb options up to white cards like STP against fish and Chant against combo and potentially even control. On the other hand adding white might make the deck too spread out and overally weaken the deck, thoughts? If you chose not to go the white direction i think the normal bounce suite would be good. Like 1 hurkyl's 1 rebuild 1 chain, and then i think crypt would be better here against ichorid since trinket can find them very eisily. I do like the 1 pithing needle aproach here because two most of the time is redundant and with so much draw in the deck and other tutors and such, the singleton would be easy to find. Against combo i have always liked chalice of the void when playing stax, but that may not work with wanting to play tops and other things. I honestly do not know what would be the best approach here, the options are extirpate, more duress' and thoughtsiezes, another counterbalance, or some combination of all of them. I've been distracted too long now and forgot what i was gonna say, nice deck anywayz becker and gl with it

Couldn't this have just gone into a PM instead of spamming up the forum.

And to make sure I'm not, FTK IS GOLD. Play them over lavamancer at least. When you look at all the red sources you play, being non-basic, and look at all 5 wastelands fish plays, you will see that getting 3R once is much easier then getting R every turn, maybe once it will work but once fish sees what you are doing or even when you play the grim guy they will waste you red source and you will have a 1/1. With FTK you pay 3R once and kill a jotun grunt or w/e and then after that i find myself using them as a win condition more so then all my other little doods. Even if your forced to block with them, they still get you 2-for-1. they don't just kill one thing and be done.

Im not sure anyone has alreaduy addressed this, but how does this deck handle EOT hurkyl's recall or rebuild. Does it not just scoop. And Yespuhyren was saying nulll rod is anti-synergetic with all your stuffs. have you tested dropping Null Rod and adding Null Brooch. It would give you good defence against fows and also bounce spells. Plus it has good synergy with the odd feel of the deck, being a rare that most ppl would dismiss as junk.
And shouldnt this thread be in the tourney reports forum given how you include a tourney report with this. Deck looks like a hell of a lot of fun to play nonetheless though.

It also depends on what is your sideboard strategy. Against general aggro decks i go

-4 Remand
-1 Mindslaver
-1 Sundering Titan
-1 Gifts Ungiven
-1 Platinum Angel

+2 Razormane Masticore
+2 Engineered Explosives
+2 Repeal
+1 Academy Ruins
+1 Serrated Arowws (Sometimes i leave a gifts in)

I do this because i know my opponent in bringing in grudges and other artifact hate, so i bring in the ruins/masticore plan to take out at least one critter before it gets grudged and i bring the extra ruins to recur it. I take out Platz because as soon as she comes into play, she usually gets grudged. Repeal is a no-brainer. Engineered Explosives doesn't  have to wipe their entire board to be good. When i have 3 post-board, and 2 ruins, i can sometimes just use those as complete critter control without even needing Razormane. The serrated arrows are just to throw in so once your opponent sees them, they will not be so willing to play Kird Ape first turn without a forest in play. And with role assignment, we are the control deck in this match. Unless you get a completely broken hand with 3 tron pieces and razormane, then it's ok to go aggro. But for the most part, play lotsa EOT card drawing and try to have at least one removal spell in hand at all time (Repeal, Wrath, Doj, EE) That might mean taking a little bit of damage before you play some removal. Don't worry about condenscending critters, just DO NOT let them resolve vindicate/molten rain. That is THE top card to counter, all the critters can be dealt with with EE and repeal. But Molten  Rain hurts the one thing wer want most, mana.

anywayz, my hands are tired so i hoped this helps

I'm pretty sure you play in California, so last i checked, it was filled with oath and Stax and ichorid. So what about Engineered Plaugue. Think about it.

It kills ETW
It kills Oath Tokens
It kills random goblins
It kills part of Ichorid, by naming horrors or such.

then if you would rather add in something HUGE like leviathin or maybe greator gargadon as something to suspend and sac ichorids/nether shadows to g2/g3. Plus, you have a big discard-outlet 6/6 to be removing to the ghoul