I thought this deck has been legal too, wich could be reason to get it banned.

4 Dream Halls
3 Mind Over Matter
4 Stroke of Genius
4 Time Spiral
4 Intuition
4 Brainstorm
4 Meditate
4 Counterspell
4 Mana Vault
1 Attunement
3 Turnabout

3 Ancient Tomb
18 Island

Might be better this way. Just add solomox and Academy instead of lands. Add FoW and Drain, Light splash for Tendrils YWill and Tutors. Maybe loose MoM, but it's a nice manamaker with Vault/Monolith/Academy/Sol Ring. Completely untested:


Not sure about the manabase and Stroke of Genius. I probably miss some cards anyway, I normally play Legacy.

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Hello,

I didn't mean to say, that you can win every game by playing the control role. I just pointed out, that this deck can play the control role. You don't have to focus on a turn 1/2 Oath. Sure if you can do it with Protection it's great, but the deck plays quite some control( mine version 9 counters, 2 semi-sweepers, Bounce, Manlands, Chalice/Null Rod and the possible Wastelock with Life from the Loam) and doesn't always need to win turn 3 or 4.

I played against a guy and had a Empyrial Seal and Mana Drain in my hand( possibly a T2 Oath) and 2 lands. On turn 1 I played a land on turn 1. He starts with land and Mox Sapphire. Second turn I only play my land. On his second turn he played a Tinker ( on the Sapphire) wich I mana Drained and he didn't counter back so I knew he was out of counters. The turn after that I topdecked a Thirst and played Seal->Oath and Thirst and played Oath. After the game he told me he had a Mana Drain in hand but had no mana. If I went turn 1  Seal and turn 2 Oath instead, Oath would have been countered and he could Tinker his Sapphire without problems. Sure this was more luck than knowledge, but it underlines my point.

And your example is the same as when playing Grim Long with Lotus, double Mox in hand with no lands and your opponent starts with T1 Chalice or Workshop into Null Rod or playing Stax on the draw with Workshop and Trinishpere in hand, and your opponent plays a Tendrils for 22 turn 1. Those things happens.

I think Oath has a place in Vintage and is more than just a fundeck. Especially when on a budget, because it's a stronger choice than Sui-Black and Goblins and maybe harder to disrupt than Flash( 1 card combo against 2 cardcombo, Oath can still put a Akroma in play with Leyline out, Echoing truth on the Sliver is worse than on an Angel, but haven't tested Vintage Flash.) You normally play 2 pieces of Fat against Bounce and that sort of thing. I do agree it isn't the best choice, but still a contender.

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Hello again,

Well thanks for the idea's. I probably go for the Angel build then. Yeah the reason I play this deck it's the only deck that can be powered down and has the power of a Vintage deck( something lacking with Goblins or Sui.)

The reason why Chrome Mox and Crypt are in there is that they both give a T1 Oath. Next to that I play Thirst for Knowledge so I need them for my artifact count. I already play Sol Ring too.

The reason why I suggested Fastbond, that it turns all lands in moxen. So if after you milled yourself, you could play Will and then Fastbond out of your grave and get some mana. But if you didn't even see it, it's probably not worth it  .

I do have one question, Life from the Loam yes or no? It's a nice card and combined with Factories and Wastelands/Stripmine it can be rather good. The problem it takes up your drawstep and it costs two, so it won't go through Chalice for 2, if you need a backupplan.

With a fully powered version you don't need Show and Tell. You run enough tutors combined with Mana Drain to cast a Tyrant and proceed to win from there. I always thought this was a control deck by the way. The only difference is that it winconditions is only 2 mana and takes 3 turns to win. When you have problems forcing through Oath, you just can play the control role until you can power through Oath or hardcast Tyrant. What I'm trying to say, when you can't resolve a Oath or Tyrant, you might be playing the deck the wrong way.

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Hi,

I normally don't post in the Vintage part, so correct me if this in the wrong place.

I normally play Legacy but there is a Vintage tournament comming up. Before then, I can't get the full set of power( maybe 1 or 2 moxen definatly no big blue or Lotus.) Is it worth to play this deck budget. I do own every other card including Mana Drain and Imperial Seal. Proxies aren't alowed so not all deck will be fully powered( allthough most of them have some power)

Is the Tidepout version worth it without the moxen. Yawgmoth's Will is alot weaker if you only can return a Chalice, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt and Sol ring. That's 3UU in mana and you can't do much with that, It's not even enough for Cunning Wish -> Brain Freeze and if you do it's only 21 cards. Is it possible to run Fastbond to compensate this?

Also at hvndr3d y34r h3x:
Is Drain needed in your list. Without Thirst for Knowledge and Chalice of the Void, I don't know where you have to pump your mana in. Seems more logical to take Mana Leak with an easier manacost.

Anyway I don't want a list, I just want your opinion about it. I couldn't find a thread of budget decks so I just posted it here.

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