If i put in more colors i will get stuck behind my own Magus of the Moon so i dont see this as a smart idea.

Tezzeret is maybe a "win more card" but alot of other deck are doing a "win more card" tactic with tinker DSC.
Its also a way to let my opponent get in the wrong sideboard while i put my time vault tezzeret key to my sideboard. to be less scared of null rods and stuff like that.

i know its hard to give pointers of what to change about it cuz of nobody really knows my playstyle.
I really appreciate evreyone with there hints, but it is hard to just put yawg will tutors and duresses in my deck.
because i dont know what to replace them for.

So please also give me hints about what to cut for those cards so i can test it.

Yawg will and regrowth are black and green spells.
I dont see the use of putting more colors in the deck and its also hard to put other cards out of the deck.
I play mox jet and not the pearl and emerald because i dont have them (there alre alot of proxy tournaments here in holland but i rather play with cards i dont have to proxy).

Also i am not making a deck to transform it to a deck that already exist, but i make a deck that suits my play style.

Thank you,

The version i played in Almelo needed mana drains more than the version i have now.

I tried mana drains in my deck but i realized that i never have the mana avaible for them or i dont know for what cards i could replace them.
With magus of the moon in play its harder to cast a mana drain then an force of will.

This deck is slightly aggro based, you want dreadnought in play and kill them in 2 turns.

If this doesnt work you use magus of the moon and trinket mage to kill you opponent.

If you use Magus of the moon and trinket mage to beat down you opponent you likely use your stifle's befor you play magus of the moon on their fetch land.
and with trinket mage finding engineerd explosives you can destroy their artifact mana, the same you do with gorilla shaman.

Tezzeret is in the deck because you will get the midgame and then you have the mana avaible for tezzeret (or just use black lotus wich is easy to find with an trinket mage) after you have tezzeret in play you can start with infinite turn with your timevault and finish the game in peace.

Hi evreyone i have made my own deck and played it in Almelo and became third.
After the tournament i have already made some changes with help of ppl from www.themanacrypt.nl (a dutch version of www.themanadrain.com).

this is the deck i played with the changes already made.

• // Lands
  3 Polluted Delta
  2 Flooded Strand
  4 Volcanic Island
  1 Tolarian Academy
  1 Strip Mine
  2 Wasteland
  4 Island
  
  // Creatures
  3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
  4 Trinket Mage
  3 Magus of the Moon
  1 Tezzeret the Seeker
  2 Gorilla Shaman
  
  // Spells
  1 Sensei's Divining Top
  1 Sol Ring
  1 Lotus Petal
  1 Engineered Explosives
  1 Tormod's Crypt
  4 Stifle
  1 Ancestral Recall
  1 Mox Ruby
  4 Force of Will
  2 Mystic Remora
  1 Mana Crypt
  1 Mox Sapphire
  1 Mox Jet
  1 Black Lotus
  1 Time Walk
  2 Misdirection
  1 Voltaic Key
  1 Time Vault
  1 Fact or Fiction
  1 Gifts Ungiven
  1 Ponder
  1 Brainstorm
  
  // Sideboard
  SB: 1 Engineered Explosives
  SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
  SB: 3 Sower of Temptation
  SB: 2 Pithing Needle
  SB: 2 Echoing Truth
  SB: 3 Ingot Chewer
  SB: 2 Fire/Ice

The plan is very easy but can change from time to time.

The main plan is drop a dreadnought and stifle its "comis into play ability".

The other way to play this deck is with time vault to get infinite turns. (like evreybody knows).

The fun about this deck is that there are alot of other decks that have a problem with magus of the moon.
With dismissing the lands of your opponent with magus of the moon against nonbasic lands, using stifle on their fetch lands and using gorrilla shaman for their artifact mana.

You also see your opponent strugling against dreadnought or timevault that you will beat them with magus of the moon and trinket mage.

Also with trinket mage you can search your library for answers like tormod's crypt and engineerd explosives while after sideboarding giving you the option for pithing needle.
You also can use the trinket mage to find sensei's divining top.


Most of the cards in the deck are known and played in alot of more decks and so i dont have to explain those.
If you have questions about my deck feel free to ask.
If you have some pointers for me to make the deck bether alslo feel free to tell me.

I played this deck aswell with little bit changes.
i went 2-2-1 after that i dropped cuz i knew i couldn't go T8

My first matchup was against a random elf deck.
This was an easy win with dreadnought and second time with grindstone.

Second match up against a tendrills deck.
first game i drop turn 1 dreadnought but he bounces with chain of vapor.
then i hold control with mystic remora for 3 turns, i stopped paying for my mystic remora and dropped painter and grindstone.
just needed 1 turn more and i hade a counter back up, in his turn he duressed me and won.

second game i lost cuz i had a mana screw. with the help of top brainstorm recall and ponder i didnt found my third mana source and lost.

third match versus world gorgerdragon
this was an easy win with first turn magus to kill his bazaar and other land he had in play.
i saw he was playing dragon deck so i boarded some tormod's crypt in.
with main 4 stifle's it was an easy game specialy cuz i saw 3 of them.

against slaver i had a draw.
not really interesting game went more like draw go draw go, i noticed that sensei top is really making the game slow.

I forgot the other game i lost maybe i'm traumatized :S

i changed some cards in the deck and it looked like this.

// Lands
    2 Polluted Delta
    2 Flooded Strand
    3 Island
    3 Volcanic Island
    2 Steam Vents
    1 Tolarian Academy
    1 Academy Ruins

// Creatures
    2 Phyrexian Dreadnought
    4 Trinket Mage
    3 Painter's Servant
    3 Magus of the Moon

// Spells
    1 Mana Vault
    2 Red Elemental Blast
    2 Pyroblast
    2 Sensei's Divining Top
    1 Mana Crypt
    1 Sol Ring
    1 Lotus Petal
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Tormod's Crypt
    1 Grindstone
    4 Stifle
    1 Time Walk
    1 Ancestral Recall
    1 Ponder
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Mox Sapphire
    1 Mox Ruby
    1 Mox Jet
    1 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    3 Portent
    2 Mystic Remora

// Sideboard
SB: 1 Engineered Explosives
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 Sower of Temptation
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Echoing Truth
SB: 2 Rack and Ruin
SB: 3 Ingot Chewer

I changed 4x thirst for knowledge to 2 sensei top and 3 portent, These work kinda nice together cuz you can look top 3 with portent shuffle if needed and look again with top.
also you can get 1 of the 3 cards you saw with portent and draw it with top if needed.
and in the next upkeep draw your top again.


i would change the card draw enginge cuz i dislike top in vintage (its making the game very slow).
Thirst for knowledge is 3 mana cost and you really want to play trinket mage or magus for this mana, but maybe i try it out some more.

Sideboard was kinda solid.
it was nice to take my opponent's DSC and beat him with it .
rack and ruin, and ingot chewer was not needed but still i didnt saw much of stax or chalice, null rod decks

After some testing on MWS i figured out i really needed some more counterspells so i put some FOW's in my deck

this is the new updated list i hope you like it.

// Lands
3  Polluted Delta
2  Flooded Strand
4  Island
4  Volcanic Island
1  Steam Vents

// Creatures
2  Phyrexian Dreadnought
4  Trinket Mage
4  Painter's Servant
1  Darksteel Colossus
3  Magus of the Moon

// Spells
1  Mana Vault
2  Red Elemental Blast
2  Pyroblast
4  Force of Will
1  Sensei's Divining Top
1  Mana Crypt
1 [JGC] Sol Ring
1  Lotus Petal
1  Engineered Explosives
1  Grindstone
4  Stifle
4  Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Walk
1  Ancestral Recall
1  Tinker
1  Ponder
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1  Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1  Brainstorm

// Sideboard
SB: 1  Darksteel Colossus
SB: 1  Engineered Explosives
SB: 2  Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2  Sower of Temptation
SB: 2  Pithing Needle
SB: 2  Echoing Truth
SB: 2  Rack and Ruin
SB: 3  Fire/Ice


I really would like some good advice to make my deck even stronger.

Btw i thought of a name for the deck yesterday
its called noughty painter

Its true what you said on the mana base. i think i will keep land disruption with the mox monkeys and with magus of the moon.

i cut the idea of playing with stripmine and wasteland.

The point of the third kill (DSC+Tinker) is that i already played a tinker and putting a lonely DSC in the deck was easy to do.
the DSC is also good vs painter decks cuz i have 1 in the sideboard aswell.

the main reason i dont play all the 5 moxen is cuz i dont have the emerald and pearl

I could cut a lotus petal, 1 painter and a merchant scroll
for 2 wastelands and 1 strip mine.

but i am not sure if this is the best things to cut from my deck.

maybe someone else has a idea?

I played 13 lands on the last tournament with an almost the same deck (played 4 brainstorms and 3 ponders) and didnt had any problem with mana.
i play 14 lands now and a bit more cheaper spells with it so i think it should be ok.

the mox monkey's are in the mainboard because you can stop your opponents nullrod grindstone and chalice and i think in the meta game these are artifacts to be aware of.

Well this is my first post and i hope i do a good job.
I'm dutch so i could make some type errors.

well here for the deck i been working on some time

// Lands
3  Polluted Delta
2  Flooded Strand
4  Island
4  Volcanic Island
1  Steam Vents

// Creatures
2  Phyrexian Dreadnought
4  Trinket Mage
4  Painter's Servant
1  Darksteel Colossus
3  Magus of the Moon
2  Gorilla Shaman (2)

// Spells
1  Mana Vault
2  Red Elemental Blast
2  Pyroblast
1  Merchant Scroll
1  Sensei's Divining Top
1  Mana Crypt
1 [JGC] Sol Ring
1  Lotus Petal
1  Engineered Explosives
1  Tormod's Crypt
1  Grindstone
4  Stifle
4  Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Walk
1  Ancestral Recall
1  Tinker
1  Ponder
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1  Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1  Brainstorm

// Sideboard
SB: 1  Darksteel Colossus
SB: 1  Engineered Explosives
SB: 1  Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1  Grindstone
SB: 2  Sower of Temptation
SB: 2  Pithing Needle
SB: 2  Echoing Truth
SB: 2  Rack and Ruin
SB: 3  Fire/Ice


Kill:
Painter servant/grindstone

phyrexian dreadnought/stifle

tinker/darksteel colossus

13 easy creatures to play who are 1/3 of 2/2

Draw:
Thirst for knowledge: with 19 artifact mainboard it looks like a good thing for the draw

ancestrall recall/brainstorm/ponder/merchant scroll:

sensei divining top: Searchable with trinket mage

Disruptie
4x force of will

2x red elemental blast 2x pyroblast: 2 of each cuz of extirpate.

4x stifle: good for your own dreadnought or against fetch etc.

1x engineerd explosive's: a nice little reset button vs empty the warrens etc

1x tormod's crypt: good against ichorid and all other graveyard using decks.

creatures:
look at kill for some:
trinket mage: for dreadnought, sensei or disruption.

magus of the moon: good against shop, bazaar, fetch, duals etc.

gorilla's shaman: good vs all the moxes, null rod etc.

land:
most of them are standerd.

steam vents: just incase someone extirpate your volcanic island its also fetchable.

Sideboard: dipens on the meta so its hard to know for now.
2x sower of temptation:Steal your opponents creature and beat him with it.

2x rack and ruin: aginst shop or other artifact deck's

3x fire/ice: against fish deck, meddling mages etc.

1x grindstone: agains another paint deck sideboard it in if you didnt show your painter or grindstone.

2x pithing needle: against bazaar etc also nice to put on grindstone and put your painter's and grindstone in the sideboard (you still keep 2 kills mainboard)



Well i hope you like my deck it would b nice to get some tips from evreyone to get this deck even betther.

I was thinking about a bomberman deck with grindstone servant combo in it as second kill en confirting the main kill to pyrite spell bomb.

the salvager combo is graveyard based and the servant combo is just permanent based.

as well you can just run 3 auriok salvager 4 trinket mages en 3 painter's servents as creatures.

The trinket mage's are a good resource to get the grindstone or the pyrite spellbomb ( aswell for your answers to your opponent e.g. pithing needle, engineered explosives etc)

thank you for the reply's.
i think i will go back to the drawning board

but still would be nice to see something like this

Hello evreyone
i got a strange idea today for a new mechanic (or wat is the right name for it (i'm from holland sorry )

evreyone know's the card

Angel of Despair 3WWBB
Flying
When Angel of Despair comes into play, destroy target permanent.

and the card

Vindicate 1WB
destroy target permanent.

when i saw the angel and vindicate next to each other in the map it got me thinking that there is a vindicate effect in angel of despair. (before you all go like: no shit sherlock. hear me out)
i came to the idea of a new mechanic. (its a bit hard to explain for me cuz the language thing but i do my best)
just taking angel of despair and vindicate as a sample you will get this as a card

_____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ ___
Angel of Vindicate 3WWBB
Flying
When Angel of Despair comes into play, destroy target permanent. (like the angel)

you may pay 2WB to play Angel of Vindicate with out his comes into play effect.

you may pay 1WB to play Angel of Vindicate only for it's comes into play effect. (use this ability only when you could play a sorcery) (like vindicate)
_____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ ___

the card exact like this is a bit overpowerd but i hope you get the idea.

i hope you think its a nice mechanic as well

P.S.
sorry for all my error's i'm not a master in typing english

this sideboard was in Simon McRae's deck for boston where he got second place.

Sideboard:
4 Chalice Of The Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Kami Of Ancient Law
2 Ronom Unicorn
2 Darkblast
3 Kataki, War's Wage

i don't understand the 2 kami of ancient law and the 2 ronom unicorn.
is there so much enchantment's at boston or do i over look something?

also where did he put the cotv on?
and what is possible to cut from your deck if playing vs fish, staxx, gifts and long?

i'm really interested in your build... and how fast you normally play a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir.

It's also more about how do you like to play.
are you more of a control player than the W/U is betther for you, are you more of a aggro type then go for B/W/U
But both builds have proven they are worth to play it in vintage.

i play this build at the moment:

it's the deck of Elias Vaisberg who became number 6 in Boston, Massachusetts, United States on 2006-09-24

Maindeck:

Artifacts
2 Aether Spellbomb
1 Black Lotus
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Pithing Needle
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Tormod's Crypt

Creatures
3 Auriok Salvagers
4 Trinket Mage

Instants
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm
2 Cunning Wish
4 Force Of Will
4 Mana Drain
3 Mana Leak
4 Thirst For Knowledge

Sorceries
1 Time Walk

Basic Lands
5 Island
1 Plains

Lands
4 Flooded Strand
1 Library Of Alexandria
1 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
4 Tundra

Sideboard:
2 Chalice Of The Void
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Meddling Mage
3 Threads Of Disloyalty
1 Brain Freeze
1 Disenchant
1 Fact Or Fiction
1 Misdirection
1 Orim's Chant
1 Swords To Plowshares

i'm not always a fan of cunning wish with the wishboard but it is really nice in this deck.
instead of playing like say 2 disenchant's (what happend in old builds) you now have acces to orim's chant (great vs tendrill's)
swords to plowshares (extra to wipe out the DSC or other big nasty things) and brain freeze (extra kill never bad to have one, had to use it couple of time's after my spellbomb's got removed)

what do you want to cut for the merchant scroll? maybe 1 brainstorm and 1 mana leak and then 2 merchant scroll's

bomberman is also winning with beatdown, you don't use pyrite spellbomb anymore.

(yay first post  :lol:)

I play bomberman with 3 salvager's and 4 trinket mage, sometimes this is even to much .
after you have you salvager-lotus-aether spellbomb you can pick up your deck destroy all creatures your enemy controlls (with engineerd explosive) or return them to their hand (ith the aether spellbomb).

pyrite spellbomb looks nice but its not needed, you can return all creatures and destroy almost all permanents so there is no need for the pyrite ( you try to cast a spell with your opponent having 7 counter's on hand )

lion eye diamond also not needed cuz if your black lotus is countered its in your graveyard (and you can return it with salvager) only thing that can really stop you is that your black lotus is removed. and thats almost impossible'(you got 11 counter's in your deck)