Why can't you pay on site?

Vintage was great tonight - thanks to the 9 other people that showed up.

I played this:
Qty   Creatures
4 Monastery Mentor
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Trygon Predator
1 Trinket Mage
   
Qty   Counterspells
4 Force of Will
3 Mental Misstep
2 Flusterstorm
2 Counterbalance
1 Misdirection
   
Qty   Draw
2 Dig Through Time
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
2 Gush
2 Sensei's Diviing Top
   
Qty   Other
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Time Walk
4 Swords to Plowshares
   
Qty    Mana
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
3 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Windswept Heath
2 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
3 Island
1 Forest
1 Plains

SB:
3 Containment Priest
2 Seal of Primordium
2 Nature's Claim
2 Pithing Needle
3 Rest in Peace
1 Meddling Mage
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Grafdigger's Cage

Beat Merfolk, Smokestack, Oath, and Landstill.  Manabase felt great, sensei's top was an all star, but counterbalance felt a little clunky.

Can you ask a Judge to look up a ruling?  Seems like the kind of thing that google is built for, no?

Game 1 of round two took 40 minutes.  Not an elbow drop.  I've never seen someone dredge so slowly.  You went to time almost every round.  Also, this happened:

MM turn: Cabal Therapy, sees null rod, hurkyl's recall, crucible of worlds.  Passes the turn.

I draw my card and pass.

MM does his thing, then goes to Dread Return his Iona.  I respond by Misdirecting Dread Return to Ichorid.

how many people?

Pre reg both days, and hopefully I'll have two or three in tow.

vintage players always want tournaments. But how much can you really make on a twenty person tournament?

The 4x Workshop tourney you ran:

Jeff [your dealer] offered $412 per person.  I offered $450.  I was in the top 4.  Everyone took my offer.  Had nothing to do with outside dealers.

I would play sanctioned Magic.  Makes getting power a lot more interesting.

Does anyone know how to set up the video feed for the feature match?  I will provide hardware if someone can handle the software.

Will there be a space for video feature matches?  If not is that something we could organize?  I would be more than happy to provide a laptop/camera.

Please let me know.

Prereg

Excellent Tourney despite low turnout [rain].  Andy and I split in Finals, and I took the emerald...
 playskill is back!

I'd like to state that in my defense i have NO IDEA how to play the Tezzeret Deck.  Chris actually had a round 1 bye.  I guess were even for the dress and the null rod.

Game 2 was actually a mull to 5 with leyline as the 6 were force and 5 mana sources.

I ran 3 null rod main and 1 board. 

The argument is that having no proxies would increase attendance.  Anecdotal evidence is not helpful here.  Obviously some people would stop playing if proxies were not allowed, while others would be encouraged.  On the whole there is some evidence that player attendance would increase if there were no proxies.

As an aside:

Part of the allure of vintage is the need/desire for expensive cardboard.  If no proxies were allowed the value of power would increase.  The increase in the value of power could potentially increase attendance.  The increase in attendance would filter prizes back into the community.  This in turn would increase attendance, and so on.  J points out that he would not be able to play if proxies were not allowed.  While he cites the exceptionally high barrier to entry that vintage poses, he does not mention the exceptionally low continuance cost.  Once you have power/expensive cards, maintaining a relevant card pool is very cheap. 

Would it really be so bad to go to 5 proxy?  Perhaps even 10 but making th ELD proxies just regular proxies like at TMD?  [clearly i only have the NE meta in mind, and I am not speaking for anywhere else]
If ELD proxies don't count against your total we are effectively at 20 proxy count (or there about).  Is this a reasonable possibility for the NE TOs?

[I would like to point out that tournament size shrank after Bstrom and friends were restricted.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just don't enjoy the format as a result of those changes.]

I think that prize support should be equal to the full retail equivalent of the entry received.  For example if 25 people show up and you charge 25 per person then $625 in CARDS should be given out.  Most dealers will agree that if they give out $625 in support they probably spent around $350 in actual dolllars collecting it.  This way the tourney can be advertised as 100% payout [pretty much true] and the person running the event is still making enough so that he will want to KEEP running tournaments.

Not moving, i called it, you can come to boston.

This actually looks kinda neat.  Against most decks you ideally want a storm of about 4-5 game 1: tezz (2), time vault, DC or 7/10.  This ideally happens if you can get wasteland, which is why i would go up to 4, and possible run 1 ghost quarter.  Also, no reason not to run a lotus petal.  Additionally, the back up plan of negator might be better as goyf, so i would add green, and possibly keep white, or even throw in red (Greater Gargadon, akki blizzard herder, or my personal favorite, TREMBLE!!).  I think that flagstones of trokair might be playable here too as it works nicely with smallpox.  You also probably don't need this many discard effects, and extirpate is kinda silly as your win condition doesn't lose to counters. 

Also i think your ideal play is turn 2 crack a fetch, waste a land, rit storm.  Additionally you almost always want to drop a creature turn 1.  Also you can always waste a fetch, as that works just as well.

4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Bitter Ideal
4 Dark Ritual
3 Thoughtseize
2 Cabal Therapy
4 Small Pox
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Crop Rotation
1 Regrowth
1 Life from the Loam
4 Null Rod
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Fast Bond

2 Windswept Heath
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Bayou
1 Forest
2 Swamp
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Volrath's Stronghold

I don't see how age does not matter.

Its the players responsibility to know the rules of a tournament before he shows up.  If the player is inherently less likely to understand or know about those rules e.g. young, or not too bright, wouldn't you cut him a little more slack; maybe not at a ptq, but an unsanctioned event such as a vintage tournament.... no?

But what if you don't know its illegal to draw cards...that's what the little kid comment was referring to.  You read clariax's post right?

I'm glad we're holding the same standards for seasoned vets as we are for little inexperienced kids.  Seems right.

I was sitting next to Jason as this happened and should have called Eric over immediately, but I did witness the whole thing transpire in real time.   

From Jer's description it sounds like he knew it was supposed to be green and let it be blue anyway b/c Jason made a mistake.  Essentially he had full knowledge of allowing an incorrect game state and took advantage of the situation instead of stopping it. 

@ Steve and Mike:  you guys are talking about different things.  Getting your opponent to tilt is a great skill, in Magic or o/w.  Allowing you opponents to make illegal moves and not stopping them is cheating.

@ Oath:  Jer does that, all you gotta do is say "You don't have to ask, I'll let you know when I'm done with my turn."  He's not malicious; he just wants to take his turn. 

Game 2: I keep a solid hand of welder, thirst, titan. He goes island, Black lotus, "Sac for green" taps island and plays Trinket mage and goes to tutor. I ask him "what do you have floating?" and he responds "blue". This technically wouldn't be possible if he sacrificed the lotus green, but because he can choose his mana payments and only has to say what he has floating and what he says is floating is the final word so long as the payments could have been legal.


Jer, you're straight up wrong about this.  I will check with an L3 and find out what would happen if a judge saw this. 

If you don't like tarmo, play the new Knight of Reliquary, its gets a waste every turn, or a much needed strip, and turn into a 5/5 very quickly. Throw in a miser's LftL and that could be quite fun.

i don't play that junk.

4 Dark Confidant
4 Meddling Mage
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Trygon Predator
4 Force of Will
3 Stifle
3 Negate
2 Thoughseize
3 Null Rod
Demonic
Echoing Trugh
Darkblast
4 on color mox, lotus
3 each of waste, delta, strand, on color blue duals
1 strip

The top 8 ruling is incorrect.  You do not have to remind him about his drain mana.  You should have checked with some other players like ELD, Dan Cunningham, me:). 

I m working on it.  I refuse to play complicated cards.  The onyl things i have to think about are what to name with mage, and whether or not to play null first, or a threat first.  Its so simple.

I made a mistake in each game that could have cost me each one.  Rich and Chris say that I got unlucky b/c i only saw 4 creatures in 2 games (running15) but i disagree.  If i thought a little harder i think i could have played better.  Admitedly i played horribly and still top 8ed.  As Chris pointed out I am "Arik Play Skill Pogrebinsky" in a somewhat sarcastic tone.  Maybe ill agree this time

Is enfield not counted b/c you could not get lists?