The build itself is a modified u/b version (and as stated, doesnt run Squee). Without talking to Peter I'll hold off on giving up the list, allthough it'll be posted anyways via SSC shortly.

Its fast, and rewards aggressive play. Grats to both Noah and Peter on their preformances. Wish I could of attended with Dragon list #3

No.


That is all.

omg omg omg! 1 Week to go!

Also of note, for those going to travel; On sunday the 29th in Toronto (45 min door to door from my venue), They are having a T1 10 proxy for a Mox Pearl!
How savage!

http://www.mtgontario.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4500

You better be clean Pac, I might make a TO decision to ban all smelly people from my events  And since your from Windsor/Detroit, you don't have much going for you comming from the armpit of Ontario  :shock:

In all seriousness tho, I think it has a lot to do with the demography of T1 as a whole. The age group of average players is a bit older (~21ish?) as compared to your PTQ'r which is probably 18ish. Maturity goes a long way.

Venue location has changed. Everything else is good to go!

Ive pushed the tourney back to 10:50 Registration closing, and 11am Start time by popular request. Hopefully that makes your lives easier.

Pac, if you show up, I'll guarantee the prize, hows that? (this clause only applies if you buy the beer!)

This is the first T1 Ive done locally, but the tournaments within ~1h of me (being Toronto) regularly draw over that. I hope for atleast 30.

And yes, the price is in monopoly money. Allthough I will accept American green.

Just FYI, its a 4.5 hour drive. Ive done that drive way too many times to count

Local Board Link: http://www.mtgontario.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4491


There will be a Vintage 10 Proxy Event at:

Gamer's Lair
92 Commerce Park Drive, Unit 8
Barrie, Ontario L4N 8W8
Tel: (705) 728 - 8100
Fax: (705) 730 - 0636
www.gamerslair.ca

This quiet little spot on most maps is about one hour North of Toronto on Highway 400.

For most of you, who are arriving from Guelph, Toronto, Belleville or even Sudbury, head for the Molson Park/Mapleview exit from Highway 400 at Barrie's South end and point your vehicle West toward the watertower. You have to pass the Wal*Mart store and look for the TD Canada Trust building on the North-West corner and the Barrie Ford dealership on the South-West corner of the Bryne Drive and Mapleview Drive intersection. Turn south on Bryne Drive and drive down to the stop sign at the end of Bryne Drive. Look straight ahead, we're in the industrial strip mall in front of you to the right of the Odeon Theatre. Look for our sign.

Saturday, 28th of January, 2006. This event will be a 10 proxy Vintage event. Entry for the event will be $20.00. Prizes will be a Mox Jet (yes, thats right, not a useless Pearl or Emerald! omg!) based on a 22+ turnout, with further prizes based on larger turnouts. Registration ends at 10:50 SHARP, with Round 1 starting at 11:00. The Mall closes at 6. Top 8 will continue (if needed) in the store upstairs.

A Level 1 Judge will be on hand to run this event under DCI sanctioned Floor/Tournament rules REL 2.

Deck registration will be required for this event. Make your proxies clean and legible please!

Hope to see you there.

For further information, contact myself; sagath@gmail.com

Question: Rearrange the following to make a complete sentence;  Horse. A. Dead. Beating.

Answer: If IQ >= 3, I'm sure you figured it out.

The format is doing fine @10 proxies, if TO's feel they can pull more people in with >10 let THEM decide.

Its not that complicated people, quit making it out to be so.

mtgontario did, at one time, have it up for download. Wizards shat on them, and they now link to the DCI page.

Unfortunatly, now you have to be a TO to get a copy. Allthough I am not aware of any 'rule' that disallows the use of DCI reporter as tournament software.
Its probably in the EULA if it is not allowed, and I'm not digging thru it to find out

My suggestion is to just find a TO, ask him for a copy of the install EXE, and use it to run your Type 1's.

Wow, that HAS to be Ryan Treppanier. It could only be him. Welcome to our world 

And yes, grats to the canadians, for 3/8'ing the T8, and to brave not only ONE but TWO winter storms to get there

Sure you do, its called second hand smoke. And smokers dont give two shits about who breathes their dirty air. 

Erm, wasnt this on the 17th or some such? If its been moved to the 10th this is going to create much problems for me Either that, or Ive been planning for the wrong day this whole time.

Whoops. Ah well, still 3 weeks to rearrange my schedule

Ah, my apologies then. In this internet medium it is sometimes hard to discern sarcasm and humor.

Wheres your T8 finish at Philly? Lets be a little reasonable here. Lam came in T8. Grats to him! Why would you discredit his deckchoice because he "allways plays birdshit"? He tested many different decks, including a homebrewed Spellweave Helix deck that he debated up to the morning of. Attacking him personally because he decided threshold was the best deck to play is absurd. Even MORE so after a T8 finish.

As for Lam and Shockwav being teammates, yes they are. Dicemanxx, Shock and Lam 3 way split his prize of 1500 (800 for T8, 700 for 3rd place Amateur prize)

I have done it twice myself in extra time. Once taking turns 3, 4 and 5 of the game. The other time, taking turns 4 and 5.

It does happen. Ive seen it happen in T8 also (but not to or from me). That would suck Unfortunatly, I dont think there is a 'fair' way to change the 5 turn rule to make this better, as allowing time walk to circumvent it would just lead to retardation for lack of a better word. It would only make gifts better, as instead of pushing for a draw, with more turns I could just tinker and win.

Pac I'm totally good for this event, vacation from work starts the 16th or some such. You'll have to PM me with your info (phone etc) and give me a description of what the local meta is down there so I can tweak properly. Also if you need to borrow cards for the event, let me know that too so I can help you out

The border shouldnt be a problem, as we'll just tell them were brining shipments of meat or explosives over. That should take the heat away from 1k value cards no problem.  :shock:

No, this does not work. You need to get DSC to 0/0 for it to die. Damage doesnt kill it. Only state based effects do.

I'm still waiting for word from work, but it looks like I will have this week off work. If this is the case, I will be attending, and getting severely drunk on beer with Pacman Ah, good times.

Ugh, why cant we have more notice for these? Pac JUST sent me an IM, and this is only 6 days away! 

Pac, can I crash at your place saturday? Ive got the GPT in Oshawa on Saturday, so I could probably Bus from there down to Windsor (or maybe catch a ride locally?)

ugh, someone PM me, this weekend could be SO GOOD.

The card IS visibly more washed out on both the front and the back. Not just a bit, but Alot. Looking at my own beta lotus, the "sunstreams" comming from the top left to the bottom right are very faded. The auction they are very visible.

I would say its just the scanner washing the card out personally. Besides, its like the other posters say, with his feedback, why would you not trust this seller? Your also insured for 1000 of it via paypal, and if you buy it with CC paypal, your insured regardless of the cost.

If youve got the coin, and want a lotus, I would say this is the guy to get it from. Hell, I'm bidding on his beta Jet right now

First let me say, that your reply to my comments is amazing, and I truly appreciate what you are trying to do. On both the Vintage 'growth' level (ie: This article on starcity), and the Mana Drain Community level. I go out of my way to allways read what you write with a clear head to try to fully understand your points. Very Well Done. I thank you

But, in that regards, I also have the following points;


and...


These points still seem to be contradictory to one another, and yet still disprove what you are trying to say. Hypo's don't win games. As you said, players and metas AND decks win games. I do NOT doubt your skill with mono-u, but at the same time saying "I played against fish, I can draw this/this/this" is just a denial of your latter point. You can draw those cards to beat said deck, and as such, x deck can draw null rod/monkey/Force/chalice to wreak Arcborn Virus; Can they not? The arguments you make about mono U winning are fundamentally the same that we make about Archborn Virus losing.

The last paragraph of the quoted above I will concede to. It is 100% valid, and accurate. It so perfectly shows why good players can metagame whole deck archetypes to Top8 finishes, but then not bring home the bacon. Accepted. Yet saying that Virus is difficult to play, thus preventing it from this possibility (and categorizing it in your Mono-U grouping) seems irrelevant. Deathlong and Gifts are both difficult to play, yet still see Top8's.

This brings me to my last argument, and I say this in pure good spirits. Please don't take offence but I challenge you to Top8 with your monster at a 5+ round tournament, and prove me wrong.



Do you accept? 

I'm sorry, I dont buy this at all. If what your saying is true, then Suicide Black is viable, so is Stompy, and hell, so is that 6 year olds Fat Pack I'm playing against right now. Why? Because they can all win games to a degree and percentage. And sometimes they DO win games.

You also seem to be contradicting yourself, stating that a) "this deck can beat the best decks in the format" and then b) " it may not have a  winning percentage against the top decks". Maybe I'm paraphrasing too much, but the bolded line just sung out to me as a 'wtf?' Does it win or loose against Tier One decks? If it can compete (say averaging 50% against Tier One decks, or placing first at SCG/Waterbury/Gencon/etc), Virus is Tier One, otherwise it is just another Tier Two deck. From my testing, this is nothing more then a goldfish deck that gets stopped by at least 5 different kinds of Maindeck cards run by the top decks, all of which can be cast first turn.

And I dont think its hypothetically speaking to say "What do you do if they 1st turn Null Rod?" Because THIS PLAY HAPPENS. So does first turn Chalice for Zero/One. So does Force of Will, and Mox MonkeyREGULARLY. So what IS your gameplan against a Null Rod Steve? Until this deck, or a modified version of it, proves itself in a tournament setting against the big guns, you cannot change calling a kettle 'dark grey' when it IS black.

Hey, is that some kind of cheap pun towards Clown of Tresserhorn?!

Anyways, to the point at hand. Did you not answer your own question? There is not alot of Grow/Hulk in the current meta, thus validating your first point, and your example specifically shows why its better to have more business spells then draw.

With a proliferant amount of stacks running around, drawing an ungodly amount of cards just means you get locked down to smokestack/crucible/sphere/whatever rather then plopping a welder down or countering said business spells. This is not advantageous, and leads to the scoop phase rather quickly. It is very similar in the gifts match up, where tapping out at end of turn could spell 'Doom' also.

On the other hand, the deck does have about 5 to 6 slots that are customizable to a given meta, and can be adjusted to playstyle/meta at will.
For an example; With an abundant amount of fish in my meta, I find it is still wise to run a maindeck angel. Most people have dusted her off in favor of other things, I unfortunately cannot as (in game 1) she can be an utterly huge bomb. This raises my fish ratio to probably the 80 percentile ratio for the match.

The old rule of thumb allways applies: Adjust the deck as you see fit to your meta and playstyle. No deck is written in stone. Obviously if you see alot of dragon, you will want a maindeck (or two) Tormods crypt. Alot of Stax would indicate a Rack or Ruin or two. And so forth.

You are correct. I sincerely apologize. My bad. It was not constructive of me to do that at all.

To correct my previous post without being an asshole ( ) I will say the following;

If you scroll up, you will notice that Wasp did indeed say the missing card was a mana crypt. The main list has been corrected with said mana crypt to show this.

Does ANYONE read what was said before their own reply? Jesus. As its allready been said, it was mana crypt, and Steve allready corrected it.
Also, as he allready said, if you READ THE ARTICLE he discuss's other concerns/problems with the deck.


This is a forum for intelligent people. Try reading what others have to say before you post. Yeesh.

My head asplode!

That was the best report evAr. EVAR.

I missed out on a sweetass weekend

Hopefully next time (Waterbury, Rochester SCG or maybe Richmond SCG?) the canadians will have one more with them

Err, his opponent "Bob" is Noobie? I'll assume its a typo...but you never know. Wierder stuff has happened.

On the up side, grats on the finish with CS. It has been a consistent preformer since mirrodin came out, and is still my favorite deck to play both casually, and on a tournament level.

I never feel cheesy beating the crap out of T1/1.5/2 players with their own decks

Just to reiterate, this is incorrect, all of the 'animate' type spells are not misdirectable. Here is the wording that all animate-esque spells follow. I'm using Animate for clarity as it doesnt have any extras (necromancies instant, and dances untap) but other then these differances, the wording is the same;

When ~this~ comes into play, if it’s in play, it becomes an Aura with enchant creature. Put target creature card from a graveyard into play under your control and attach Animate Dead to it.
When ~this~ leaves play, destroy enchanted creature. It can’t be regenerated.

# Oct 4, 2004 - A "creature card" is a Creature card or Artifact Creature card. Older cards of type Summon are also Creature cards.
# Oct 4, 2004 - This is a targeted ability. Note that cards in the graveyard do not have Protection from Color abilities, but the comes into play ability may be countered if the target creature card is removed from the graveyard before the spell resolves. If the ability is countered, then this card stays an Enchantment and stays in play.
# Oct 4, 2004 - When putting a card into play that requires a definition for its value or some other choice, you do what is needed to define the value or make the choice.
# Oct 4, 2004 - In general, an animated creature comes out as if it were just played. Any X in the mana cost is zero.
# Aug 1, 2005 - Enters play as a global enchantment and then becomes an Enchant Creature Aura as a triggered ability upon entering play. It follows all the rules for Auras from then on.

Therefore the animates ability is a triggered ability when it comes into play, and the target is chosen when it comes into play also.