New Deck: Hate Angels.

The "You still pay its costs" is the dagger.

This is one thing I've wondered about: how far does this extend?

Let's say they simply eliminate the Reserved List and related policy tomorrow, but without reprinting anything.  Then, in 10 years (2026) they reprint the P9 in a Vintage Masters type set.  Do all the same problems exist 10 years after the policy is formally eliminated?

What about 20 years?

It would likely be that simply announcing the removal of the policy, even with no immediate associated reprints, prices would drop.  Exactly how much is anyone's guess, but it's clear that there are separate impacts from the presence of the policy and actual reprints.

In both cases, Last Known Information is used to refer to how many counters were last known.

Is this the first example we have of converted mana cost not being based on the mana cost of the object in question?

This will be the collector's Zones second ever Vintage event!

Doors will open at 11:30am and the tournament will start at noon!

$10 entry fee, Prizes will be paid out in store credit!

Unlimited proxies allowed!

Payout to be determined by number of players.

Everyone come out to this and make it successful so we can do more these in the future!!



WHAT: VINTAGE!
Swiss + Elimination. (T4 or T8, depending on attendance)
Entry is $10

PRIZES: Store Credit

WHERE: Collector's Zone - Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/The-Collectors-Zone-Sports-cards-supplies-etc-301986135178/
1425 Wildwood Ave, Jackson, Michigan 49202

WHEN: Sunday, March 20, 12:00pm ET
Doors will be at 11:30am and the tournament will start at Noon!

PROXIES: UNLIMITED PROXIES will be permitted.

Poorly. She was bad in my deck and generally bad in the meta.  She might have a long-term place, but she's not well-positioned right now.

Princess_Power: how do you board vs. DPS?

Is there any resource for confirming the swiss points/records for the T16 (or beyond).  I'd like to know just how 9th compares to 16th.

Unfortunately, you have to take all our evaluations of the Surge cards plus JE,RD as a whole to understand where we were coming from specific to JERD.  We had previously analyzed how to achieve Surge on your opponent's turn for Overwhelming Denial, so we didn't rehash it all for JERD, even though there is a considerable functional difference between 1 spell and 2.  We had previously established that getting the first spell is partially reliable via typical, non-counter instants such as Brainstorm, Ancestral, Mystical, Gush, etc.  The fact that these instants are not a high percentage of current decks is why Steve concluded that you would be able to draw between about 2 out of every 3 of your opponent's turns.  My opinion is that 1/3 is reliable, but that's with current decklists and not one built to maximize JERD.  Both of our predictions are based on bolstering your non-counter instants with counterspells, which is why we so quickly shifted to talking about how important it is that your opponent plays spells.

I think that, with a dedicated deck, JERD could be pushed to draw on your opponent's turn about 50% of the time.  That's why the deck construction exercise is one that I'm especially looking forward to.

http://www.eternalcentral.com/so-many-insane-plays-podcast-episode-50-oath-of-the-gatewatch-2015-year-in-review/

Kevin Cron and Steve Menendian review Oath of the Gatewatch and the year that was 2015, including our annual Moxie awards!

0:01:00: Announcements: VSL Season 4, Vintage Checklist, NYSE Open IV
0:10:15: Proxy Tournament Hubbub
0:18:40: Steve and Rich Shay’s Letter to MTGO
0:19:00: Battle for Zendikar Report Card
0:22:40: Oath of the Gatewatch Mechanics
0:46:00: Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1:02:30: Spatial Distortion/Warping Wail
1:29:30: Crush of Tentacles
1:43:15: Goblin Dark-Dwellers
1:48:00: Natural State
1:55:50: Sea Gate Wreckage
2:20:15: Overwhelming Denial
2:34:00: Endbringer
2:54:30: Matter Reshaper
3:07:40: Thought-Knot Seer
3:10:30: Sphinx of the Final Word
3:19:15: Deceiver of Form
3:22:15: Reality Smasher
3:28:15: Stormchaser Mage
3:32:30: Dimensional Infiltrator
3:39:40: Hedron Alignment
3:40:30: Jori En, Ruin Diver
3:56:30: Mina and Denn, Wildborn
4:01:15: Wastes
4:04:00: Year in Review
4:06:30: 2015 Moxies!
Total runtime: 4:16:53

Imperial Seal $500.00
Grim Tutor $248.74
Mana Drain $218.63
Imperial Recruiter $209.75
Karakas $160.16
Mana Crypt $152.99
Tarmogoyf $148.25
Liliana of the Veil $99.44
Force of Will $99.29
Scalding Tarn $97.50
Rishadan Port $90.45
Berserk $89.50
Jace, the Mind Sculptor $86.97
Grove of the Burnwillows $81.18
Wasteland $67.34
Karn Liberated $65.52
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy $64.94
Show and Tell $63.08
Snapcaster Mage $62.87
Flusterstorm $62.22
Horizon Canopy $61.99
Verdant Catacombs $60.52
Damnation $59.99
Misty Rainforest $58.89
Crucible of Worlds $55.95
Dark Depths $53.00
Arid Mesa $51.79

All, my list has been updated (through Commander 2015) and posted.  Pending Oath of the Gatewatch additions now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E__pPpcBiGNmQJ3bWVLPBjCf0LchuyPRLEIM1z04KjA/edit?usp=sharing

I've heard about three specific stores receiving notice.  I believe two of them are referenced by others in this thread.  The scope is broadening as more people join the conversation, and you have to believe there are many others remaining silent.

Seems to be entirely dependent on one's stack.  Does your stack still facilitate a combo kill with Survival?  I assume most powerful stacks do.

Also, specific to Rochester, it has a lot to do with the card's timing in the draft.  Early on, you can build around it.  Later, it's not necessarily good for a median deck.

I love to draft T4 in booster and Rochester, and I love how different cards thrive in one format or the other.  Build-around cards have their variance amplified in Rochester.

Assuming you're referring to the planets that StarKiller... um... 'kills' during the movie: it/they were not Coruscant, it was the Hosnian system: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_system

There is a non-zero chance that Jar-Jar was on Hosnian Prime, given it's governmental position, but we don't know.

It's a land that produces mana under Orb of Dreams and similar effects.

For reference, X-spells in my stack:
- Captain's Maneuver
- Chord of Calling
- Divine Deflection
- Dominate
- Ertai's Meddling
- Flash of Insight
- Rally the Ancestors
- Shining Shoal
- Skeletal Scrying
- Spell Burst
- Wake the Dead
- Wargate
- Who/What/Where/Why/When (we errated the gain line to cap @ 10 life, because the card is otherwise so fun)
- (Aeon Chronicler)

X being in a mana cost is not strictly a sign of too powerful, but most implementations (damage, power, life, cards) are banned in my stack.  Epic Experiment seemed to toe the line, when I put it in, but now that I've played it a few times - it's functionally more powerful than drawing.

So, I played T4 for the first time in years tonight. Wow, is Epic Experiment broken. Do you all play this in your stacks? Is it problematic?

Wagner,

Appreciate it, but I've already done that.  Those threads would have you believe that everyone's stack has simply grown by 100 cards over the past few years.    I'm wondering what the full snapshot is for someone that has been maintaining a list all along, with adds and cuts.

I'm looking to revive my T4 stack, which has not been updated since 2010 (at least).  Does anyone have a current list to share so that I can get a feel for contemporary additions?

This is like the beginning of a Fallout game...

This will be the collector's Zones first ever Vintage event!

Doors will open at 11:30am and the tournament will start at noon!

$10 entry fee, Prizes will be paid out in store credit!

Unlimited proxies allowed!

Payout to be determined by number of players.

Everyone come out to this and make it successful so we can do more these in the future!!



WHAT: VINTAGE!
Swiss + Elimination. (T4 or T8, depending on attendance)
Entry is $10

PRIZES: Store Credit

WHERE: Collector's Zone
1425 Wildwood Ave, Jackson, Michigan 49202

Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/140930549597160/

WHEN: Sunday, December 6, 12:00pm ET
Doors will be at 11:30am and the tournament will start at Noon!

PROXIES: UNLIMITED PROXIES will be permitted.

Wow, you all are right: restricting Chalice has had a dramatic effect on Vintage!

I can't say exactly how often, but I know from playing against Dredge that I've confidently kept a number of Land/Cage, Land/Mox/Priest and Land/Mox/RiP hands that would be significantly disrupted by this.

Thanks for the write-up, Rich.

I really liked this and I think you offer a lot of good insight.