I really wanted to make this one but 2 shorties and a wife wanting to go to the beach kinda trumped it.
I think you should have called nice guy on the cap in game 3. that is if you didn't. although you probably did.
he is kinda good at that bluff thing as I recall from playing with him a long long time ago.

What was the Meta like.. Lots of 5C control. that suprises me as almost all of those decks had a lot of trouble with Zoo  back then. factor in that a mirror kill does not work anymore. there are a couple of pieces to the zoo puzzle that need Mirage block but there are some decent replacements.

Mirage block opens a lot more then just pros bloom..
there is potential for some nasty nasty stuff..
Congrats on the win MT4
-D

looked like a fun time..  Can't wait until things slow down so I Can hop back in..

If you have the stuff for red legacy stax you can go to vintage stax real easy in a 10-15 proxy event..  I play a red uba stax list and it does pretty well..  you would really just need the shops, Bazaars and the mox/lotus and that brings you to 14 proxy.. The only decks that really seem to give it trouble is fast aggro.  But there are ways around that and well I kind Nerf the mulligans a lot. The ichorid builds are easy on the proxys but I find them real unstable.  RG beats can do well also.. grab some skull clamps and go to town with a kird ape.. 

 

I was more posing a what if kind of situation. I do actually think that having one list is kind of a good thing, I do think that the DCI needs to  be a little more up on things.  I think that Vintage has a large adaptability curve (maybe that makes no sense) but I think that where it is a format that gets the most totally broken S@## happening it also has the best ability to keep that broken S#^# in check.  I know we all have our favorite card and would love to play with them no holds barred. I also understand that there needs to be a Banned/Restricted list because there are some things that really can disrupt the game. I also do not really believe there should be a cards that can almost Autowin a game when it is played..  I know that you can not predict what new cards are going to do when they react with the older ones in an environment such as vintage. So there should be some group that says stop we need to fix this problem that is making the game unfun for the majority of players. And honestly I think the DCI does a pretty good job..  Sometimes they Nerf it hey we all do. I think they are better now they they used to be. 

As far as the secondary market is concerned well isn't extended a secondary market format also.  I remember when it was created and we all thought it was awesome because we could play with all the revised dual lands and 4 forks.. I think that the DCI should support vintage a bit more then it does but I also understand that Vintage kinda gets a bad rap from younger players because of the price involved in some of the cards but I think you really need to look at the cost of playing standard and well it is kind close to even.. I have been playing  long enough to know how it all works..  I used to play every weekend with the guys that are making the B/R lists and designing the sets now.  They are pretty good at knowing what is broken and what is not.. But also I think they are kinda removed from the vintage scene.

Like I said I was just throwing the idea out there.. 

When you think about it what does the DCI really do for Vintage? Wizards runs like one event every year for the format. Most of the other large profile vintage events are not sanctioned by the DCI due to proxy use. It is these proxy tournaments that I think make the format more accessible to new players that do not have the real expensive cards..  So I guess if we as a community have decided to run tournaments outside the DCI why do we look to them for a Banned/Restricted list.. Could we manage our own. Maybe it would be like boxing with different federations or whatever..  I guess I was just fishing for other peoples thoughts.


-Dave

I guess this is how I will be able to post or something... 
I have been playing since 94  love vintage whatever... 
im in steel town... 

Chris finished 4th with ichorid on day 2 Stax took 3rd...  Paul also I think was playing superlong on day 2. Sunday was a weird Meta it was like 2 long 2 manaless ichorid 2 stax 1 flash 1 oath  somehow I played against Ichorid like all weekend..  I loved all my MU's all my opponents were awesome guys..  I was amazed at how well my list did all weekend. except in like round 5 of day one when my 3rd game all I drew was land and we ended up drawing out of top 8.  Bahhhh.... 

all you meandeck guys are awesome.. 

-Dave