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1  Eternal Formats / Creative / fish/r how many lands to run? on: July 27, 2004, 10:57:27 am
maybe if you posted a list, then I could help you on what to cut and what kind of manabase to play, but w/o a list it's hard to tell. I also think that 24 is the way to go in any fish build.
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 27, 2004, 09:45:35 am
hah, woops, didn't notice I put Shattering Pulse twice. Yeah, I don't have too much trouble getting the red mana I need, I am drawing so many cards grabbing a volcanic or fetch is no problem. I just hate when Sui plays their stupid Sinkholes and 5 strips, then I get screwed on red and blue mana.

You are right about BEB, I think I can go -1 BEB +1 FoF in the SB. I love FS, and I think FoF is great in the SB.
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 26, 2004, 02:57:41 pm
This deck not only has answers for Null Rod (especially with Wish) BUT a Null Rod does not shut down UR Phid at all. Sure, it stops the artifact mana and Scepters, but you still have brainstorms and Phids for draw AND Morphling/SHoreline Ranger that you can draw to help come back. UR Phid still has more ways to deal with Fish than Fish has to deal with UR Phid.
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 26, 2004, 02:41:04 pm
well, I hate to interrupt this lovely war we have going here, but back on the topic of what to play in UR Phid as opposed to whether or not to play it, I have put some thought into what has been said and compiled this list:

Kill
2 Morphling
1 Shoreline Ranger
1 Gorilla Shaman

Counter
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Mana Leak

Draw/Search
2 Cunning Wish
2 Brainstorm
3 Ophidian
3 Fire/Ice
3 Isochron Scepter
1 Ancestral Recall

Broken
1 Future Sight (Sorry Thug, I just can't get over how broken this is)
1 Time Walk
3 Blood moon

Mana
7 Solomoxen
4 Flooded Strand
4 Volcanic Island
6 Island
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

SB:
3 REB
2 BEB
2 Stifle
2 Rack and Ruin
2 Flametongue Kavu
1 Capsize
1 Shattering Pulse
1 Fire/Ice
1 Magma Jet
1 Shattering Pulse

Yes, I realize it's 61 cards, I had the 3rd Phid as my 61st card because normally Phid is one of those "it's a 4-of or it's not ran" cards. I figured perhaps running 3 won't be too bad. I really love the Scepter idea though guys, let me know what you think of this list, I really think the SB here is pretty tight.
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 26, 2004, 11:11:19 am
ok guys, sorry I've been out lately, but I had to march 3 parades and play in a concert as well yesterday...non-stop Tuba playing from 8:00 am to 10:30 pm, not my idea of a good time.

Anyways, back on topic, I love the idea of Scepter w/ Fire/Ice, but I don't think it would be optimal to play in Phid's stead. Playing both would be amazing and I actually really want to fit in both. Playing a draw engine with Phid AND the Scepter/Fire/Ice would be insane. I really like the list Thug posted. My problem with it is, I'd rather be running a 3rd Wish over a 3rd Blood Moon. 2 Is enough, with 12 counters and what looks to be a good draw engine, getting a blood moon on the table is not a difficult task. Also, I would probably go -1 Scepter, +1 Phid and -1 Fire/Ice and +1 Wish. Add the 4th Fire/Ice in the SB so you can wish for it if you need it.

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So the Scepter v. Phid debate is one that points to heart of the problem with this deck. Both are weak draw engines in comparison to AK/Intuition. But if you put that draw engine into this deck then you may as well go all the way and just play Tog. So the question really is this: Is there enough of a reason to play this deck over Tog and if so which card, Scepter or Phid best exploits this decks advantages?


I would go with Scepter being the better draw engine, but it would be better to play both Phid and Scepter IMO. If they get a Null Rod out and you can't deal with it (no topdeck love) then you no longer have a draw engine. The same goes for if you havew a Phid out and they play lots of removal, your Draw Engine is gone. With both it's harder to stop. Another comment I'd like to make is that the reason to play this over Tog is simple, Blood Moon. Blood Moon is so amazing in the current metagame and puts almost any opponent into a very uncomfortable position. Also, a simple Swords to Plowshares or Smother can ruin your whole win condition, it takes more than that to stop a Morphling. I do agree with Mendence with the comment about you making references to Tog. It is sort of falling out of the format, and is still kind of easy to stop. I don't find this deck nearly as similar to Tog as you do for some reason, especially considering it is 2 colors.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 24, 2004, 02:26:46 pm
What if I were to cut the Kegs for 3 Wishes as stated before, and cut the Library and Capsize for 2 Scepters? I do like the idea of Scepter, and is great with Fire/Ice because it can be used every turn. With Wish and Rack and Ruin in the SB, I wouldn't have to worry about Null Rod as much.

I'm still not sure on the Future Sight/FoF thing. I won't lie, FoF is an amazing card, but this deck gets more than enough mana to support FS during every game.

Also, what do you think of me taking out 1 Mana Leak and putting in the 3rd Blood Moon, I need something to come out for it, and the only other thing I could think of is Control Magic, but I love the card too much to get rid of it. Another option could be a Wasteland, but I don't think I'd feel comfortable going down to 2 Wastes.
7  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 24, 2004, 01:42:53 pm
The reason for no 4th Wasteland is because of Library, I could take out Library, yes, but it is great and can draw so many cards. And draws thier wastelands away from your volcanics.

As far as Wish goes, I like the idea, and I think Keg can come out for it. This will need some testing, but I think I might go -3 Keg +3 Wish in the MD and -1 Control Magic, -1 Mox Monkey and +2 Keg in the SB.
8  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Worse Than Fish: the Reprise (aka WTF/r) on: July 24, 2004, 01:03:45 pm
Here's a question, why are you running Brainstorm over Standstill? There was a discussion in the T1 Forum about whether to play Brainstorm or Standstill. I understand this is not Gay/r, but still, with the manlands and what-not, Standstill should be the optimal choice. Otherwise the manlands are just sub-optimal. I'm not saying Brainstorm is terrible in this deck, but are me and PTW the only people who think that Standstill is what makes this deck work...?
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 24, 2004, 12:46:39 pm
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Are the SoLoMoxen really necissary? Why not run Null Rods instead? You've only got five sources of Artifact hate, and those sources could be negated (Welder).


This is true, but the SoloMoxen are very Necessary. Simply to speed up the deck alone, getting a Turn 1 Phid, or Blood Moon can be extremely bombish. The Solomoxen also help for conserving the Blue mana because of Mana Leak, they are very necessary.

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Doesn't Future Sight really choke on all the counters? You also can't Drain mu ch into it (unlike FoF, which is almost free off a Drain).


You may have a point here, but with all the cards you'll be drawing with Phids and Fetchies, it really doesn't make a difference with the counters. I may be wrong, but I still think that Future sight is much more threatening than a FoF.
10  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 24, 2004, 12:37:42 pm
I have tried replacing Phid with all different things, TFK/DA, Brainstorm, AK, Scepter/AK and I found that Phid is the only consistant draw engine, sure alot of stuff can block it and stop it, but you normally want to get Phid out 1st or second turn anyways. It's good enough to get you a few cards, which is all you need anyways.

I do like the WIsh Idea, but Control Magic has won me way too many games for me to just turn it down. i can't wish for anything to deal with an unmorphed ANgel, at least Control magic can take care of that. I would like to run Wish, but I just wouldn't know what to take out for it.

The Future Sight was FoF's replacement. It fits better in the deck and overall nets you way more cards. It is much more broken than FoF, and your opponent doesn't give you a hard decision on what cards you want either, you just get them all. Also, the reason I don't run Mystical Tutor is because I run Merchant Scroll, I felt I had to choose between 1 of the 2 cuz both would take up too much space in the deck. Perhaps I am wrong, but this is how I feel.
11  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 24, 2004, 12:26:32 pm
well, Blood Moon stops most of Fish's Mana base,  it outcounters fish, Powder Keg helps from them having oo many dudes on the board, Fire/Ice does the same thing, Fish can't deal with Morphling and it outdraws Fish unless the block the Phids. So from the games I have played, UR Phid beats phish more than it loses to it, granted I haven't played against PTW or any of the other bg T1 players like that, so perhaps I am wrong.
12  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / UR Phid, playing bad cards to make them good... on: July 24, 2004, 11:57:22 am
Hey all, now I know what you're all thinking, "UR PHID SUCKS! why is this guy posting a thread about it?" Now, I know this deck hasen't placed well in Tournies, and not alot of people play the deck. There is probably a reason for this, but in the testing I have done and from seeing the deck in tournament, it can be a beast. Especially against Fish and 4cc, which seem to be the top dogs in T1 right now. Mods, if this belongs in the newbie forum or whatever, I apologize and move it if necessary. Now, I would like your feedback on this list, (Got 2nd at a tourney a little while ago). The list I have made is inspired by Kowal, who made it for my good friend Chris (Googleboots) some time ago. Without any more delay, here is the list:

Kill
2 Morphling
1 Gorilla Shaman

Counter
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
3 Mana Leak
2 Misdirection

Draw/Search
4 Ophidian
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall

Broken cards
1 Time Walk
1 Future Sight
2 Blood Moon

Removal
3 Powder Keg
3 Fire/Ice
1 Control Magic
1 Capsize

Mana
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
4 Flooded Strand
4 Volcanic Island
6 Island
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

Sideboard:
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Stifle
2 Flametongue Kavu
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Control Magic
3 Rack and Ruin
1 Fire/Ice

Well folks, that's the build I've been running for now. Now for some explanations on Card choices:

Morphling: Now, this guy has not been well-liked in T1 recently. Due to Angel being better in 4cc and having Psychatog readily available have made this guy not very popular. He is the win condition in this deck because Morphling can Kill Exalted Angel, and with only Red and Blue for colors, this is about as good a win condition as you can get, 2 of these guys were the right #.

Mana Leak: There is really no need to explain FoW or Drain, but Mana Leak may have some people scratching there heads. This deck takes a long time to set up quite often, and having control of the game is VERY important. Mana Leak is a WONDERFUL card in the early game, countering 1st or 2nd Turn Dryads, countering that pesky Goblin Lackey or even a Turn 1 Ancestral. In the late game it also poses a threat because not many decks play this card, and people don't try to play around it because of that, and somebody tapping out for a big threat, and then mana leaking it is so great. The reasons to play this card are endless.

Misdirection: I chose this simply because it is like Ancestral #2 and FoW's #'s 5 and 6. This is a wonderful card to help win counter wars and is lovely against those pesky Mind Twists.

Future Sight: Future sight is incredible in this deck. When this hits the table, you might as well call it game. There are so many things in the deck that you can play and Ophidians will draw you so many cards. And if you have a Blood Moon on board as well, god save your opponent.

Powder Keg: These are wonderful against Fish and are good at destroying Landstills dudes as well. I love this card to death as a removal spell and it fits perfectly in this deck considering it's only winn condition has a 5cc.

Control Magic: Oh my god, this is the best card ever. It is such Tech and has won so many games, it amazing. Nobody expects this card to be played, and taking over somebody's ANgel just feels so good. Also, against Fish, Control Magic thier Lavamancers and wipe out thier entire Board...or take over a Dryad and build it up with your own spells. The possibilities are endless.

Capsize: This is the Anti-Dryad tech of the deck. An 8/8 Dryad is not an easy thing to deal with, so this little addition can ruin a GAT players day and make them have to play thier Dryads as 1/1 dudes again.

well guys, that's the opening to this thread, I hope you like it and I hope this thread goes far, thanks for reading.

~Pest
13  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Why are we chastising JP? on: July 20, 2004, 02:39:38 pm
Sure thing, here's the list Justin ran:

4 shade
4 hippie
4 negators

4 duress
4 hymn
4 nights wisper
4 null rod
3 smother

1 yawg will
1 demonic tutor
1 necro

4 ritual
5 strips
1 lotus
1 jet
15 swamps

SB:
4 withered wretch
4 engineered plague
2 chainer's edict
1 diabolic edict
4 kegs

This did pretty good for him that day, but after going 3-0 after his first 3 rounds he just stopped wanting to play and lost some rounds and ended with a record of 5-3.
14  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / With the Star City P9 tournament behind us, what lies ahead? on: July 20, 2004, 11:40:33 am
yeah, every tournement for a while is gonne be a meta of like 90% Fisha nd 4cc and then 10% other stuff. That is why UR Phid is TECH and will own the format!!!!! haha, jk

While posts like this are not only worthless and annoying, they're also...  Uh..  They're also...  They're...

Well, I lost track of where I was going with that.  Looks like you did too.
- Kowal
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15  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Why are we chastising JP? on: July 20, 2004, 11:26:47 am
I agree with Zherbus. Getting swept by Sui doesn't make one a bad player. It happens to everybody. I too got swept by Sui that day with 4cc...I don't know how it happened, but it did.

Just so you know, the kid who swept JP with Sui was on my team, and Round 1 he swept Food Chain with Sui...how does one manage that?
16  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / With the Star City P9 tournament behind us, what lies ahead? on: July 19, 2004, 10:34:38 am
I agree with Phelon, Justin made the mitake of letting you AK for 2 twice...how do you lose after that?

I for one did terrible with 4cc...I went 3-3-1 drop

Round 2 I played against the winner, Mike Panas, and I took game 1 and had he not TD'd a Tundra in game 2 he would not have unmorphed Exalted Angel and I would have took that game. It was a play mistake on my part trying to cast an Angel with no back-up though.

To top it all off I entered one of the box Side events, and lost round one to Gay/r...the person playing the deck had never heard of PTW, I informed him that he was the one who came up with the deck, and he just simply said "wow, he must be pretty gay if he has that much time to come up with a deck like this" I wanted to punch him, but I refrained from doing so. I hate Gay/r and I hate Standstill even more.

I still had some good times nontheless and good job to those who made T8.
17  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / (Single Card Discussion) Key to GAT in the 5th Dawn? Maybe. on: July 12, 2004, 11:07:42 am
I agree whole-heartedly with Ultima, except for 1 thing. The meta most certainly is situated for Mis-D. It helps IMMENSELY in trying to get you to win counter wars, and with so many decks in the format playing Ancestral right now, you can never go wrong with a Mis-D on an Ancestral. I play a counter base of

4 FoW
3 Mana Drain
3 Duress
2 Mis-D

I think that is the the correct counter base. Duress is a wonderful card, but it's not worth taking out Mis-D altogether for 1 extra Duress.
18  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] 1st-place, Somers CT (55 people) on: July 03, 2004, 10:32:58 am
you shoulda done a mirror of Gat w/ Drains vs. GAT w/o Drains to see which one was better in the mirror. This is one of my all-time favorite decks and I love it to death, and I hate to see Drain taken out of it.

Anyways, congrats on the high finish. I love the SB btw, it's so tight. FTK is my MVP of the SB, well that and REB. What did the MD Fire/Ice do for you? Did it really help alot? I usuallylike having the one in the SB because it's an easy wish Target. Aso, how does only playing 2 Scrying MD do for you? It just doesn't seem like enough and I'm surprised you did so well in the mirror with only 2, but maybe I'm just talking out of my ass.
19  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / (Single Card Discussion) Key to GAT in the 5th Dawn? Maybe. on: June 25, 2004, 11:41:49 am
so, has anybody had any new breakthrough's on the NW/Opt engine? I have been testing with it and it is surpriseingly really good. I really had alot of doubt in my mind about how it could be good, but I love it so far. It gets me the answers I need or a way to get those answers almost every time. I'm still debating on that or AK/NW. AK is really good sometimes, and in the long run, I can get a shitload of cards from it, especially after a Will. The only problem I have with AK over Opt is that it costs one more.
20  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / (Single Card Discussion) Key to GAT in the 5th Dawn? Maybe. on: May 15, 2004, 08:54:52 am
I think I want to try an engine of 4 AK, 2 Whispers. Here's my reason for doing so. TFK/DA was, to most everybody's knowledge, the optimal engine over the AK engine solely because Tog would horribly outdraw you if you played AK. True this may be, AK nets you more cards than TFK, and Whispers causes you to lose 1 less life than DA. Although it may be black and can't be pitched to FoW, as Dave said, it's no big deal. This engine is more mana efficient, and gets you more cards than the TFK/DA engine. The problem with the Whispers/Visions engine is that they are both sorcery's, so neither of them can be played at instant speed. With AK and Whispers, you can still cast an AK as an instant while still haveing Whispers for extra draw to aid you in the Hulk match-up a bit. This is my outlook on the whole thing, TFK technically nets you 0 cards cuz you draw 1 to replace it, then draw 2 which then causes you to dicard two more. On top of that it's 1cc more than AK. That's how I feel about it, although some of you may disagree with me.

EDIT: all of these comments are in regards to Aggro GAT, not combo GAT. I don't know much about combo GAT and I don't play it, just thought I'd clear that up.
21  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / (Single Card Discussion) Key to GAT in the 5th Dawn? Maybe. on: May 13, 2004, 06:14:54 pm
ALthough they are sorceries, Whispers with Visions is most definately going to be the best way to go once FD becomes legal. The engine is so much cheaper than TFK/DA and the AK Engine, and more efficient in most situations. The only thing I'll really miss is the lack of ability to draw in response to people's spells now. I've come up with the GAT list I will be testing with and most likely playing in tournament once FD comes out. Heres the list I've come up with:

Kill
2 Psychatog
4 Quirion Dryad

Counter/Disrupt
2 MisD
2 Duress
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain

Draw/Search
4 Brainstorm
4 Night's Whisper
2 Serum Visions
3 Cunning Wish
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Gush
1 Ancestral Recall

Broken
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk

Mana
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Strip Mine
3 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Island
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta

Sideboard
1 Berserk
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Naturalize
1 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Oxidize
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Smother
2 Stifle
2 Null Rod

It's pretty much the same thing as my normal list just without the TFK/DA engine. I personally think this is more efficient, I'll let you all know the results from my testing whever I can.
22  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: May 06, 2004, 01:59:20 pm
ok, I stand corrected. You guys WERE right, TFK/DA is an overall better choice over the AK's. I discovered this after me and Googleboots did some heavy discussing about the deck, and I tried playing with the TFK's again, and it turned out I did like it better than AK. The fact that is 1 mana more is still a little ugly, but other than that is't just a better draw card. So, here is my new list that I will be testing with, and hopefully be playing in tournament next weekend:

Kill
2 Psychatog
4 Quirion Dryad

Counter/Disrupt
2 MisD
2 Duress
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain

Draw/Search
4 Brainstorm
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Deep Analysis
3 Cunning Wish
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Gush
1 Ancestral Recall

Broken
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk

Mana
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Strip Mine
3 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Island
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta

Sideboard
1 Berserk
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Naturalize
1 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Oxidize
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Smother
2 Stifle
2 Null Rod

I took out the AK's, the Fastbond and a Duress from my original list and added the 4 TFK and 2 DA's. Let me know what you guys think of this new build, and I really love the SB...Null Rod kicks ass.
23  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: May 03, 2004, 10:10:42 pm
The problem is, the only time TFK is better than AK is in the Hulk Match-up pretty much. It's not exactly card advantage, and 1 mana can make a huge difference in the game. Sure, a stupid AK for 1 doesn't help much, but it all adds up when playing AK after AK. In any match-up other than Hulk and maybe Keeper AK>TFK. I don't mean to put your decisions down, don't get me wrong. After testing I just found TFK to not be nearly as useful as AK. It's cheaper, and you get more cards in the long run. It may make the Hulk match-up a little worse, but it makes any other Aggro or control match-up better. idk, maybe I'm talking out of my ass, but I'm just going by my own personal experience.
24  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: May 02, 2004, 11:53:15 pm
yeah, that's definately true...but just the fact that he tried to beat out Ray was ridiculous.

As for the example you gave in the Hulk match-up. This is all to assume that you have a Dryad in play (which you probably will) and you'll of course want to counter his stupid little Togs. in which case, these little counter wars between him and you just feed the Dryad further. He will be pressured to use the Intuition earlier in the game when you have a Dryad out, and he has yet to get a Tog in play. Granted he has wish and other answers for the Dryad, but its just a matter of time before both of you end up in a counter war (which you should win anyways). The choice of which engine to play is definately something that people will argue about for a while. Most GAT players are sideing with the TFK/DA, but I still am not convinced that's the way to go. Perhaps someday I will be, but for now I think AK is the way to go this time around.
25  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: May 02, 2004, 05:45:52 pm
yeah, I was pretty pissed about them not giving away the power. Actually, I was pretty pissed at Pat for not changing the date of the tourny.

The TFK/DA engine seems to be everybody's favorite, if TFK costed 1 less mana, I'd play it over the AK's, but just 1 Mana can make a huge difference in the games. With AK, especially in the Hulk match-up, it's not something to be mindlessly casting. You wait untill that Hulk player Intuitions for their 3 AK's, then you say, YAY I've been saveing these 3 AK's in my hand and now I'm gonna draw like a fool. That's at least what I've done in the Hulk match-up and it's never stirred me wrong. In all of the other match-ups, its pretty much better than TFK in my opinion, except for keeper. I'm not too worried about Keeper anyways. That's just my feelings on it, I've tested both, and I was always a big fan of AK, and I don't like drawing 3 awsome cards, then haveing to discard 2...it bothers me.
26  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / GenCon T1 Event Schedule on: May 01, 2004, 01:30:45 pm
is anybody that's going to Gencon headed in the general direction of East Providence, RI. I'm looking for someone to carpool with and split Hotel costs with, if anybody is interested, please PM or IM me. Thanks.
27  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: April 26, 2004, 09:10:27 pm
if I offended you xaos, then I'm sorry, it was just a joke and it was all in good fun. We just thought it funny at the time that you tried to write a primer solely because you made T4 at a tourny, I'm not calling you a bad player. I'm just saying it was kind of ridiculous to take out key cards of the deck for unnecessary things.
28  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: April 26, 2004, 01:39:33 pm
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I don't really understand how you say that after 1 Top 4 in a 12 person tourny, your an expert on this deck.

No one can just become an expert after one tourny finish in the top 4 within like 2-3 months.

I mean i got further than that, and i still don't think of myself as an expert or even close.


You obviously didn't catch on to that...IT WAS A JOKE! About a week ago, xaos, from this site, had his GAy/r primer thread closed because everybody was ragging on him for thinking he was an expert on the deck and could write a primer on it after makeing T4 once. Now that I made T4, I cracked a joke saying that I am an expert on the deck. I was not serious and it was all in good fun.
29  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: April 25, 2004, 10:47:22 am
LOL! That is funny. I wouldn't consider you an artist.

Sorry about that Mike, I got confused. You definately woulda owned me though, stupid Triskellions. btw, my last name is spelled Dussault, but that's ok.
30  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] GAT Splits with T4 at Cape Cod on: April 25, 2004, 12:43:37 am
Ok, today I made T4 with GAT, out of 12 people, and about 8 of those decks being good. I think that since I have done this, I am capable of now writing a primer on the deck, since I must be an expert on the deck now, and I'll be removing some key cards in the deck for bad cards, but it'll work because I have now become an expert on the deck. The Primer will be comeing soon...

So, that being said, here's the list and Report

Kill
2 Psychatog
4 Quirion Dryad

Counter/Disrupt
2 MisD
3 Duress
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain

Draw/Search
4 Brainstorm
4 AK
3 Cunning Wish
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Gush
1 Ancestral Recall

Broken
1 Fastbond
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk

Mana
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Strip Mine
3 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Island
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta

Sideboard
1 Berserk
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Naturalize
1 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Oxidize
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Smother
2 Stifle
2 Null Rod

Before I started this thing, I saw alot of Slaver and Workshop decks going around, and I was VERY scared about it, since I lose terribly to Slaver. But fortunately, I didn't get pared vs. Slaver once. This thing was only 4 rounds of swiss and into T4, since there as only 12 people there.

Round 1- Jason Reandeau with GAT

Game 1- Nothing really happens, he draws some cards, and so do I, I drop Tog, he drops Tog next turn, I wish for Smother, kill his Tog, swing through with Tog and Berserk next turn. The sad part is "all that action" took about 15 minutes of the round.

I thought he was playing Tog at first and not GAT, and he thought the same thing, neither of us drew a Dryad or anything GAT plays that Tog doesn't.

I side in Stifles and Smothers. I probably shoulda sided in Deeds, but I didn't

Game 2- I keep a bad hand of 2 lands, 2 Moxen, a Lotus a Wish and a Force of Will. He gets first turn Duress, takes wish. All I draw the entire game is lands, his 2/2 Dryad, which is as big as it ever got somehow killed me before I could do anything.

Game 3- This game took FOREVER! I get a crazy 1st turn of Dryad, Ancestral, Walk, Gush. My dryad was like a 4/4 after the walk turn, I start beating his face in and he couldn't do anything about it. Finall, I have him down to 7, and he TD's Deed with like triple Force back-up, kills my Drayd. 6 Turns later, he finally plays a Dryad, which gets smothered. I play Tog and Dryad, both get countered, he wicked outcountered me on that. They announce that there was only 5 turns left after this, so he drops Tog thinking he's gonna win, and I TD Smother, kill his dude, and go on to my turn where I draw Vamp Tutor, pass the turn, next turn I vamp for Will. Cast it, and found out that my Walk was removed from game, and the 5th turn was his next turn and we were forced to draw the round. I would have won that game with either an Insane Tog, or a crazy Dryad or two, but I needed one more turn, and couldn't find a Wish anywhere.

OK so far, but could been better (0-0-1) This shows that AK pwns FTK/DA

Round 2- Don't remember name playing UB.dec?

Game 1- He plays a total of 3 spells this whole game, a MIsD, a Force and a Tainted pact. My Tog and INSANE Will turn go all over his face. And for the record, Fastbond and Yawg Will are my MVP's of the day, so many broken turns, its not even funny.

I don't even bother SBing, nothing was worth putting in.

Game 2- He plays a first turn Underworld dream that I can't counter. He then gets a Null Rod out. I forget about the Null Rod, and make like my only play mistake of the day, and the worst one ever. I Vamp for Lotus, figuring I can sac it, Wish for Naturalize and kill the stupid Dreams, but I was an idiot, and forgot about Null Rod so it didn't work, and I yelled out loud because I was an idiot. He somehow gets me down to 7 with the Dreams alone, I finally Kill it, Play Yawg Will, and win with my 2 Dryads and Tog. I delt 48 damage to him.

Looking pretty good, (1-0-1)

Round 3- Chris Mendence (Googleboots) with Gay/r

I was wicked fearing this match-up solely because I had been testing yesterday with him and he beat me like every game, and I could never figure out how. And I was just pissed that I had to play a fellow team member. Neither of us could afford to draw, so we just played it out.

Game 1- He doesn't draw any cards, and his one Lavamancer gets liek killed. I own him with my Giant Dryads of doom.

I side in Stifles, Smothers and Deeds.

Game 2- He has 3 Maze of Ith SBed in here, but doesn't draw one thank god, After him not drawing anything and some more brokenness, I bring him to scoop and I somehow swept him. I am completely openly admitting that he probably would have won if I didn't draw like a Mo-Fo and if he had some better draws. He was getting absolute crap. Sorry Chris  Crying or Very sad

Lookin' good (2-0-1)

Round 4- Mike Keaton with Myr Enforcer.dec

Game 1- I get a pretty big Dryad, but his two Triskellions and Juggernaugt were too much for it. This game was over pretty quickly

I side in Null Rods, Stifles and Oxidizes.

Game 2- I get two HUGE Dryads out like right away, his Myr Enforcer just couldn't handle it, and I just stomp all over his face.

Game 3- He gets out an early Welder, with like 3 Wastelands to screw me over, and a Tangle Wire. I get out Tog, and the game was sooooo close. If he didn't get that second Juggy out, I would have killed him, but he had attacked with his dudes, and I lost.

I am thinking I won't make T4 with a record of 2-1-1. In fact, all 3 members of UCB, Me with GAT, Chris (googleboots) with Gay/r and Justin with UG Stompy, all had the same record. Thanks to Tie breakers I make it into T4. The T4 looked like this:

Me-GAT
Greg powers-Workshop Slaver
John (Crater Hellion)-Mono-B Dragon
Mike Keaton-Myr Enforcer.dec

With me in last seat, and Mike undefeated in first, I was about to have to play him AGAIN! We all talked about it though, and decided to be pussy's and split the prize. The 4 of us split 180 bucks into 45 a piece, not nearly as good as if somebody won, but second prize was 45...so we figured it was worth it. I'm just happy I didn't get paired vs. Slaver once.

Props:
Yawg Will and Fastbond for being so broken
Chris for takeing us there
CC for giveing us free pizza
Me for doing that good in a meta with all decks I do bad against

Slops:
Me for an undeserved victory vs. Chris
Underworld Dreams for owning my draw engine
Time limits for makeing me draw round 1
Pat from CC for not changing the date so there would be a better turnout.

This is the first magic tournament I've been to since November, so I was quite pleased with how I did, even though only 12 people came, I wish more people could have come.

Thanks for reading all, and for all of you who went to Waterbury, I hope you guys had a great time.
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