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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Requesting Help For a Starter.
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on: August 22, 2008, 09:33:14 am
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I've messaged him, since I haven't talked to him much, simply because of life and such taking up my free time, but I think he will. I believe he has two or three separate decks, he funded two of them with a Black Lotus he sold. *Lucky, Razzle Frazzle....* If I can borrow it and go to the event with him (Which he offered to ferry me there in his car with his group) Then I'll get into the system and at least test the water. But if I can't get into contact with him, I'll still go watch. I know a lot of people at the Comic Shop because I also have a love for comics, and Warlords, so I can at least hang out without being awkward. And thanks for the suggested cards, and every ones help. I'll be sure to pick those cards up. I was thinking off about half my current cards, a lot of them are Kamigawa until Coldsnap, and only a fourth or so are earlier sets, simply because I collected when I was seven or eight, and never learned to play the game, so I just collected them. Got better cards then, than when I was actually trying to get better cards >.< another quick question, Would this be a good pet deck to toy around with casually? Booby Trapped!
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Requesting Help For a Starter.
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on: August 21, 2008, 11:57:28 pm
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I play in the New England area. More precisely Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
I was actually looking at what I think to be a storm deck. I know it's based around storm, and I built one in MWS, It's the Drain Tendrils build. It's a fairly recent post, I believe the post has something like 6/20, so I'm guessing that's the update of how recent it is in relations to restrictions and such. Is 100-150 a good price range for what i'm aiming to achieve.
Also, during my visit to the comic shop today, I noticed on the 30th of this month, there's a Vintage tournament. 'How fortunate!' I thought. and Then thought, 'How unrealistic!' in relation to how long I would have to build a deck. The tourney is giving out a Mox or Timewalk as first place, I'm not entirely sure. And runner ups in the 5th and 6th places get dual lands. That's all I remember. I really only concentrated on the runner up prizes, the only place I could put within the realm of minor impossibility for me.
I won't compete in it, unless I miraculously build the deck with my $75.00 on hand, but I will be there to watch, and talk, and check out the overall flow of the tournaments. I used to be into Warlords, and in my first tournament, I was actually shaking a little bit, just because I didn't want to look like a fool to the vets. I came out ok. I got past two rounds, and into the Quarter-finals miraculously, but got swept hard in a best of three. No chance what-so-ever....I digress fully. I'll just stop here.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Requesting Help For a Starter.
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on: August 21, 2008, 08:01:37 pm
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1) What is cheap? Give us a dollar range. I can spend a decent amount of money over time. I have some of the cards that may be needed already, though not many. I have two Mind Slavers, if I were to make a Slaver deck, but as far as money goes..I'd say I'd be fine within the $100-150.00 range. 2) What do you like to play? A big component of success in Vintage is playing a style that fits you. The decision trees can get so big that the better players survive 75% of in game decisions on pattern recognition. I think I'd like to play a combo deck. Something that feels like a puzzle with all the pieces. I really like the feel of everything just clicking together, but being somewhat complex and fun to figure out. So possible a heavy combo deck. And my friend played a Bomberman or URBana fish deck. I'm not quite sure, and I don't know the idea behind them, though I intend to find out. But I remember playing them, and they seemed like fun and good decks. The lucky guy even had a real Black Lotus. though he didn't play it, kept it in a nice big case, and proxied it. Only for showing off. Edit------------- I just stopped by my local card shop today and picked up 3 Phyrexian Totems, A Revive, Paradise Plume, Chromatic Star. All of those for 10 cents a piece, and Fact or Fiction and MindSlaver for 4 bucks a pop. Good investments? I've seen a couple of those used in decent-ish decks. I also saw this deck that looked really fun on Wizards.com Magic section. The 'Booby Trap!' deck, and 'Eight Post' which uses Cloudpost and Vesuvus. I couldn't find those cards at the shop, and I may go get them. but I hear their prices have risen. It was the budget section of Wizards Magic Area.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Requesting Help For a Starter.
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on: August 21, 2008, 12:00:02 pm
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Thanks, and I feel better that I'm not just an idiot, and it's kind of hard to break into vintage. I'll do my best to stick with everyone here. First things first, where are you trying to play Vintage? At your local card store on Wednesday nights? Or at regional tournaments that offer up Moxes and such for prizes? Local shops usually don't offer unlimited proxies and so the power curve of the decks is a bit lower. You can easily get by with a $100-$150 deck there, any fish build would be perfect. The bigger tournies either offer full proxy counts or at least 8 or so, but here you're going to need some quality cards to do anything other than lose. There's one in New Hampshire, or somewhere in that vicinity my friend Mr. Marek goes to once a month or so. They have something like an Eight Proxy rule, and offer up moxes and Timewalks and such things. I live in Rhode Island, and I visit Stillpoint in Fall Rive, Mass. I live near the RI/MA border, and that's the only shop within a driving distance for me. Though I think Stillpoint hosts Vintage once every couple months. Yawgmoth's Will, what can't be said about Yawgmoth's Will. It's arguably the most powerful card in Vintage. Most of the best decks run it, and most of those decks plan on resolving it to win the game. Most of the time, whenever it does resolve the opponent will just say "good game" because they know they just lost. Try and pay attention to others when they play it, but don't try and dive right into a TPS deck and expect to know your ass from your elbow. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know that what i'm attempting to do will take a lot of losses, a lot of nights playing solitaire, and seeing how my deck draws, looking at my cards and finding every possible outcome, practicing guessing what percentage chance some cards have for coming up and the chance of early draws. I'm pretty sure that when I finally build my deck, I'm going to get my ass whupped royally countless times. And thanks. I just finished building my new comp, so I don't have any of my old files. I used to have apprentice, but I'll try out MWS. Thanks for your help. And hopefully within a year or more, I'll be playing Vintage faithfully.
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Eternal Formats / Creative / Requesting Help For a Starter.
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on: August 20, 2008, 11:29:17 pm
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Bear with me as I give a short backstory.
Two years ago, my Friend, We'll call him Mr. Marek, talked to me about Vintage tournaments, and other such tournaments that required much higher end decks than the ones me and my friends at school ran. We ran decks that were fun, odd, cheap. It was casual gaming. Eventually though, one kid upped his deck, again and again, angry that I beat him with a Merc deck until he just started to destroy everyone.
I was interested in this, while I enjoyed casual, I could see myself having a little fun with decks that seemed to 'click'. I'm that kind of person, I really like it when things just 'click', and things are in order, and a plan/deck is executed in a precise manner with strategy. That's what really drew me to Vintage.
Well, At that time I didn't have a job, and while I attempted to save money for one of the Cheaper vintage decks my friend Mr. Marek told me about, I never really did. And I stopped playing magic for two years. Just...stopped. I lost all interest, and basically forgot about it. And as I stopped, all my friends from school that I got into it did likewise.
Fast-forward through various hobbies.....So, I've had a job for a while, it's not glamorous (Cook at KFC), but it gets me money for a car and college next year. (Going into my senior year) and now I have various bits of cash I put aside for hobbies and all of a sudden, I'm going on a MTG kick. Like, really bad. So bad, I got all my cards out of my closet and looked at them.
They were...sub-par.....I have a lot of them, at least by my standards, but none of them are really that great. A few worth a couple bucks I picked up in trades and a few betting games, but nothing serious. I looked at various Vintage decks and see that almost all of the cards I have, are not used in any of those decks.
So, i'll cut the BS. I'm a newbie to the Vintage area of Magic. I get some of the terms and such. And the ones I don't, I try my best to figure out. I don't know all of the card names by heart, and a lot of the better cards, I've probably never heard of. I'm trying to bust my way into Vintage, but I need to get a solid battering ram to do it.
I come here to ask for help. I plan to build a deck over some time. Yes I may have the money to buy it in one go, but that's not smart, in case something comes up where I need the money. And I'm a patient kid, so I can wait. Mr. Marek mentioned two decks in the past, I don't remember any of the cards, aside from one or two, and I only remember the names for the decks.
The two cards are Brainstorm I believe, and Yawgmoth's Will. I've heard of Brainstorm, but never had heard of Yawgmoth's will. I see how, with the appropriate deck it could flow well, but the cards to add to that deck...no idea. Some time ago, I purchased a Yawgmoth's Will, back then. Got it cheap off one of my friends. The two Decks he mentioned were URBana Fish, and Bomberman.
So..what I'm asking is..... (And I'm terribly, terribly sorry for my non-linear subject hopping),
-Are there any good decks, at a somewhat reasonable price for a starter Vintage Player? -What exactly are Bomberman and URBana Fish decks, and why are they good? -What decks could utilize Yawgmoth's Will effectively, since I like the card. (I don't know why, I just really like it. It seems like a card that could lead to some killer combos..but what do I know, I'm a n00b.) -Any sort of advice, or words of wisdom for me. Or anything. I'm a very open child.
Thanks for your time, and all your help ahead of time. I'm sorry I gave you a spiel that amounted to almost nothing. I just come off awkward, and I can't OUTRIGHT ask for help. It feels demanding, and perhaps if I gave a rundown of the situation, it might ease you into the subject, and not blast me from the start or anything. and If you haven't figure out, I'm a nervous, quick talker, who can't properly translate that to text, so he jumps around a lot....And doesn't know where to end his sentences...YArrr....
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