yeah this is about where i quit magic

12 showed up;

1st/2nd split:
GAT
Tyrant Oath

3rd/4th:
Flash
Doomsday


dft you owe me a moy token. bia bia

that's ridic

seriously nick, this time, i will be there. swears.

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as most stl players do, i agree w/vroman. having strip or 3sphere rfg for a new 7 cards is fine in my book.

Unfortunately there is not much I can do to change anything after it's edited/published. As you can tell, some things were cut from our conversation, and both of our speech gets compromised for continuity. ugh. sorry

Steve M: grats. What's your card? R&D is obviously making a pull to give Vintage a spotlight. I consider it an honor to have been able to shake your hand after your win @ this year's World Champs. Hopefully you can enjoy similar success at the Invitationals.

Play well,

beemer

I agree, however, I was not playing the game. I believe the other card was Stinkweed Imp. Not 100% on this. Thanks for reading!

I can assure you that Shay was looking away from Nick's deck while he was shuffling/cutting it. Thanks for reading! This stirs up quite a few topics apparently, regarding card choices (Nether Shadow/Ichorid) and sportsmanship at it's finest. I'm not sure if Nick posts here, his username in most places though is DarkfnTemplar. Because Starcraft rules.

Which, by the way, Starcraft 2 was previewed at Gen Con. I'm upset to say they did not have the Zerg available to play.

If that's how you want to take it, go ahead, I can't stop you from your opinion, but I can't agree that any rules were violated in that match, from either side, or that either side would accuse the other of unconventional means to win. If Nick was cheated by anything, it was the Magic Gods. Once again, thanks for reading.

EDIT: Kobefan, you can find the rest of my articles here: http://www.londes.com/?v=author&name=Brian%20Beemer

"Off Topic" is an understatement.

I see why you're disconcerted, however, he's not a member of my team or my playtest group. To say he's a friend is slightly bending the truth. While he may be an acquaintance, my job as a journalist is to give you correct information/quotation, regardless of how well I know anyone that I may be spotlighting.

As a reasonable, unbiased person who speaks English fairly well, I think Nick and Shay can both agree that Shay did intentionally put a card on the bottom of his library, but he did such without knowing that Nick's top card was Bazaar. Because no one knew. Until Nick looked when he went back to Paris. Poor Nick, right?

I interviewed him and transcribed it. I see your point and your worries. There are no allegations, and no appeals within the results of the tournament. I agree with you completely that Shay is a phenomenal player. This debate is just over the word 'cheating', from my standpoint really. Once again, as a judge, I can't throw that term around lightly. 'Master shuffler' though, as Nick actually said, will get people fired up, and ensue some very good conversation.

As a judge, I can say 'cheating' is grounds for suspension in the DCI. 'Master shuffling' is not. Shay had been putting one card from the top of Nick's deck to the bottom as a final part of his shuffle every time before presenting it to Nick. I watched the mull myself, from the sidelines. Nick grabbed his deck before mulliganing to four, told Shay he was looking at the bottom card, and that one time he looked it was Bazaar. 'Setting a deck' and 'having a lucky shuffle' are two completely different things, you must understand me. I assure you Nick is in no way attempting to call Shay a cheater. If you'd like to hear the audio recording I transcribed, I'm sorry to say you'll have to drive to StL, as it's on a micro-cassette.

If he had lost to Shay in the swiss, you might not have seen this interview, I guess. That never happened though, and Shay lost to Nick in two games. There were actually multiple judges watching those semis...if Shay was a cheater, as you say Nick said(which he didn't), he would have obviously beaten Steve Menendian. So that disproves the theory, no?

Nick never said the words 'convinced he set my deck'...the coincidence was insane, i watched it myself when he looked at the bottom card.

No one from StL would ever call Rich Shay a cheater/deck-stacker/etc., I let this part of the interview see print to show the luck envolved in magic, simply enough. I'm sorry you see it as name-calling. Nothing of the sort was said.

"The man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest,"-Paul Simon

he didn't call shay a cheater. he called him a master shuffler.

there were multiple judges watching. it was the semifinals of the vintage world championships. just saying. thanks for reading.

Top 4@ Vintage World Champs, let me know what you think of the article.

http://www.londes.com/?id=1441