anyone else think 10 votes is too many?

Not really, no. But to be completely honest it has never really been a problem for me to make a blue vintage deck that has a good shop matchup, with 3 islands in the maindeck you could just sb a couple Ancient Grudge or something.

I have a txt file of it on my desktop but its uneditted and out of sequence which you guys probably dont want, id suggest just emailing channelfireball.

Yeah: besides like 5 cards that he actually wants to draw

Does it matter what he Imperial Seals for? I mean besides like 5 cards that he actually wants to draw I would fateseal and bottom any card except a 2nd Imperial Seal.

http://strategy.channelfireball.com/featured-articles/owens-a-win-taking-home-the-trophypainting-at-gencon/

This is my tournament report from vintage worlds, any feedback would be appreciated.

Good thing that guy put white leyline in his deck, and let you cast Gifts.

How long before Compulsive Research gets restricted?

This is just wrong for exactly the reason you origionally posted and I bolded. Also everything LHC said applies.

You had a pokemon card in your deck last tournament, so I wouldn't talk.

What do I have to do to become a full member?

 

It kills in two turns not three, which to me is very relevant against other Drain decks, shops, Ichorid, and fish. Also a while back Inkwell got to be so popular that everyone who wasn't just losing to it adjusted so now you see fish decks that run 1-2 Hurkyl's Recall or a Diabolic Edict, same for the control decks they usually run a Rebuild or the Hurkyl's. In my eyes Darksteel is much better since now everyones answer to the Tinkerbot doesn't target so its largley irrelevant that the Inkwell has shroud (the only exception to this is Goblin Welder).

Once you figure out how to do that id love to know, I always lose to Null Rod when I play Tez.

Can we get some of the formats greats like LSV and Paul Mastriano to weigh in on this one?

This thread is pretty awesome.

Kudos to whichever moderator changed my profile to say 1,000 posts.

The only actual requirment is you must have less than 1,000 posts on TMD.

*****THIS IS NOT WRITTEN BY ME*****

Hey this is Jeff Rabovsky for those of you who don't know me as jrab89. Having just won a lotus on Saturday, Ben Carp asked me very nicely to write a report to put on TMD; so here I am. To kick things off, this was the list I played:

// Lands
4 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
1 Island
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand

// Creatures
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Vendilion Clique
3 Trygon Predator

// Spells
4 Force of Will
3 Null Rod
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Time Walk
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Daze
1 Diabolic Edict
4 Duress
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Life from the Loam

// Sideboard
SB: 4 Energy Flux
SB: 3 Yixlid Jailer
SB: 1 Darkblast
SB: 4 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 Sower of Temptation

I snatched Tommy Kolowith's list off our boards and took out bad cards for good ones. Thanks TK & Owen! Gotta love the Wisconsinites. The maindeck was perfect but the sideboard probably had one or two more anti-dredge cards than I needed. My short term memory is borderline miserable/nonexistent so don't expect the details to be great since I have no idea what I did with my life pad. Yet, I do recall that the most difficult part of the tournament was finding the store and getting the cards I needed for my deck.

Round One: AJ Sacher with Tezzeret
AJ is a player I have a lot of respect for and I've traveled to several events with him in the past. I haven't seen him since last year's Gen Con so it sucks that we have to play the first round. We proceed to bitch about how unlucky it is for two players like ourselves that aren't brain dead to have been paired round one and that we both probably should have just stayed home and played poker online. I don't have any specifics, but I win in two games. Even in the hands of a level 4 pro, Tezzeret is definitely an underdog to BUG Fish.

Round Two: Paul Mastriano with Tezzeret
Sorry no details here either. I win in two games.

Round Three: Ian DeGraff with Dredge
Someone else I haven't seen in forever! Game one starts with a mulligan via serum powder from Ian followed by a bazaar which gets activated once before I blow it up with a pivotal wasteland. Tarmogoyf later joined by trygon predator on my side both do a good job putting pressure on him as he struggles to accumulate a graveyard without his bazaar. It ends up being close but I have a tutor for time walk to seals the deal. Ian didn't have a very good start game 2, a careful study followed by some manual dredging if I remember correctly. He also has a chalice for zero to stop my tormod's crypt but my predator was able to kill the chalice before I was in much danger.

Round Four: Tim Bartlett with Tezzeret
Game one I'm unable to get an early threat to stick through two spell snares and a mana drain. We play the attrition game back and forth and he eventually comes out on top with a decent sized coatl followed by tinker for colossus. Game two he mulligans and forces my turn one tarmogoyf off a mox, which doesn't make much sense to me. He takes his first turn and proceeds to go land, mox, lotus, tezzeret, search for time vault. I don't have a force or null rod so I lose on the spot.

Round Five: ??? playing BUG Fish
Again remembering games of Magic from three days prior is not something I'm particularly good at. I think I won this match in two games.

Round Six: Owen Turtenwald with Tezzeret
Game I'm on the wrong side of a quick tinker for colossus. Game two is just as lopsided but in my favor. Game three is closer but a trygon predator squeaks it out for me. And yes it sucks having to play a teammate and good friend for top 8.

Round Seven: Mike Mohring with Shop Aggro
We draw in.

Quarters: Anthony Michaels with Stax
I have a very strong start game one after forcing his first turn sphere then playing a confidant off an emerald and jet on my first turn. Eventually trygon predator comes down to finish what bob started, bad news for the shop player. In game two, he keeps me from putting any pressure on him. I eventually land an energy flux but his two welders minimized its effect and I end up losing all of my permanents to a smokestack. I have an early confidant and null rod in game three but he has tangle wire, maze of ith, and tabernacle to keep me from doing anything other than drawing cards and losing life from, which is fine by me. At four life, I eventually have to let bob die but the extra cards I've drawn far outweigh the life I've lost in this matchup. I get a flux and even though he has academy to counteract it. My second flux and wasteland on his academy are too much for him to handle.

Semis: Mike Solymossy with Tezzeret
He goes turn one one scroll for force and tinker for sphinx. If he had a colossus instead of god awful sphinx I would have not gotten a third turn but instead I live to see my turn six by chumping with a clique. I duressed at some point to see that he had two forces and a drain so odds were slim to none for me to find edict and get it to resolve. His deck declines to provide him the the nuts again and I take him down in three games.

Finals: Jimmy McCarthy with Tezzeret
He offers the split but I I'm 4-1 against his deck so I like my chances. Sorry Jimmy. I mulligan to a solid five card hand that includes two land, duress, and two confidant. Duress grabs a merchant scroll and he doesn't have any other action so my confidants go the distance. Game two I keep a hand with confidant and force but only sapphire and wasteland for mana. I've got a brainstorm plus I'm on the draw so if one of the top five cards of my deck taps for black I'm golden. My first draw doesn't yield a black source so I'm a bit nervous. I find black on my second turn via brainstorm and from there its smooth sailing.

All in all it was a fun tournament, tough to complain about free ice cream and winning a lotus. I wish I could play more Vintage but being in Iowa City ¾ of the year for school in addition to work and a class over the summer it was difficult even to have made it Saturday. Thanks everyone who loaned me cards; you know who you are! Also, thanks to the Swartz brothers, Owen, James King, AJ and anyone else who contributed to the perpetual, ridiculous, loud, and annoying banter during my top 8 matches. It definitely put my opponents on tilt which is awesome since I'm immune to any kind of obnoxiousness having played magic with the aforementioned Turtenwald and Swartz brothers for years.

PS: I'd rather tinker for a ham sandwich than sphinx of the steel wind.

I fell like I phrased my first post in such a way that it was not a personal attack, and I think (at least LHC) many people agreed with what I had to say. You do not understand the format. I think the biggest thing you misunderstand is the fact that you choose to play a deck that is worse than almost every deck in the tournament, and by that I mean the decks you play against are built to do better and more broken things so naturally they are going to have broken draws more often than you are. It is just that simple. You can play a deck like yours and win some matches here and there against the top decks, but over the course of a longer tournament you pickup some free wins because you have Ancestral Recall, Tinker, and Yawgmoth's Will that can single-handedly win games that are otherwise hopeless. Whereas if your deck falls behind your Null Rods and 8 Duress begin to look pretty embarrassing. On top of that you aren't playing with Force of Will! Which means you have no way of protecting yourself from a turn 1Tinker or even a turn 1 Blood Moon.

Reality check: you played 5 rounds of magic and came away with 1 honest win, and you are having trouble seeing that? If you can't honestly reflect on your own results then you will never get better. And that’s all I really meant to say with my post. Your immature response to my constructive criticism is really just sad and I am truly sorry I bothered to try and help you in the first place.

So you started 0-2, beat a UB mill deck, got scooped to when down a game in the final round, and yet you honestly feel that you were unlucky to miss the t8?

M.Solymossy plays Demonic Tutor from Hand
M.Solymossy plays Hurkyl's Recall from Hand
<Sleetshot> must be nice

<Sleetshot> are 'nt you special

And to a lesser extent:

<Sleetshot> must be nice to DT?
<Sleetshot> yeah, dt is a nice card

In no way does this excuse Solys hilarious and obnoxious reaction, but by stooping to his level you're just feeding the beast.

Play-wise for some reason it looked much worse yesterday when I read it then it actually is. What can I say I expected worse from an AWFUL player with an AWFUL deck.

Lets just all agree you both played terrible and move on.

(that is 100% Soly, and you egged him on)

Yeah that would have been equally terrible, what's your point?


No kidding, half of the winning Tez lists didn't even play Thirst so...

The restriction of Thirst for Knowledge is just proof that the people who decide the banned and restricted list know nothing about vintage.

haha!

Last Xtreme tourney I had 4 Repeal in my deck and they were insane, that said I probably wouldn't run 4 again.

Spell Snare is unplayable garbage.

I think its safe to say if you are playing a deck with the usual Tinker, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, and Thirst for Knowledge and you aren't playing Time Vault and Voltiac Key then you built your deck wrong.

Painter+Grindstone is not the same as Key Vault, it isn’t even remotely close.