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1  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Resuts: CVQ2007 Champ (Black Lotus), 19 jan. 2008, Quebec city on: January 20, 2008, 04:54:30 pm
Am I the only one thoroughly confused by that entire report? There's a bunch of mistakes in the decklists at the very least, unless you can now run 11 Jotun Grunts. The results are just as confusing. TMWA, Flash, ICBM Oath, and Doomsday as the T4? Elemental something in the T8? No idea why Rector Tendrils was called 'Gush Tinker'.
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Break this metagame! on: January 12, 2008, 09:00:32 pm
If there was some magical solution to that metagame, the format would be busted wide open. You just described pretty much the entire environment right now.
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: A New Vintage Playable Counterspell [Warning: Morningtide Spoiler Included] on: January 09, 2008, 10:05:59 pm
So which is better, the proactive Hymn to Tourach or its reactive counter part, Mana Drain?

That is a horrible comparison to even suggest. Mana Drain adds mana (unlike Negate) and double black is incredibly more difficult to procure than a single black. Negate without a Mox also has twice the comparative mana cost of Duress.
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] SCG Chicago Day 2 Report on: December 16, 2007, 07:38:21 pm
it's a reputation they have, and in my opinion, it makes them look like a team of greedy players.

Interesting you put it this way lets look back 24 hours ago to the MTGChicago.com Mox events at COD. . . round 5 Rhyno Vs AJ they can both certainly draw in and make t8 but Rhyno chooses to play it out in an effort to get Drummer79 into 7th-8th place on tiebreakers.

So before I continue lets recap, Drummer79 feels ICBM is a greedy team for not 'always intentionally drawing when the position presents itself' and yet he advocates to his teammate TO AVOID AN INTENTIONAL DRAW WHEN THE POSITION PRESENTED ITSELF.

NOTE: When I was 1-2 (yes, beleive it, I went 1-2) I got paired up vs a 2-1 and I scooped knowing I had no shot of making t8 and he could draw in the very next round, does this sound like a team or greedy players?

In that match, AJ leaves the match to go to the bathroom and the people left around that game are Rhyno of GWS (playing), Soly of GWS (spectating), and our favorite Drummer79 of GWS (judging). When AJ returns he sits down and resumes play, immediately the sly Rhyno asks "how many cards are in your sideboard?"

A question I have never asked in all my tournament experience, its an awkward question that serves little to no purpose, if you think someone has the wrong # of cards in their sideboard then pile shuffle their deck after they sideboard and do a mental count. Its far less conspicuous and gets the job done. So obviously between AJ leaving and returning something flagged Rhyno to ask this absurd question.

So Drummer79 does a count stops, tells AJ "we took a Brainstorm from your graveyard and put it on the bottom of your library . . . as a joke."

This is UNACCEPTABLE FOR ANY JUDGE TO DO AT ANY TOURNAMENT OF ANY LEVEL. Especially since Drummer79 was in the event and had vested interest in the outcome of that match.

So they discover that AJ has a 61 card maindeck and a 14 card sideboard and of course immediately Drummer79 "the penalty for this offense is a game loss" and obviously AJ is dumbfounded "I counted my sideboard before I left and it was 15 I have done nothing wrong and you guys admitted to manipulating my library when I was gone." The entire time Rhyno with a smile on his face plays defenseless "well I did nothing wrong and I have no idea why your library is 61 and sb 14." IF YOU DID NOTHING WRONG WHY ASK YOUR OPPONENT TO COUNT HIS SIDEBOARD! Drummer79 was stern, "the penalty for this offense is a game loss"

This is UNACCEPTABLE FOR ANY JUDGE TO DO AT ANY TOURNAMENT OF ANY LEVEL. Especially since Drummer79 was in the event and had vested interest in the outcome of that match.

NOTE: When AJ returned he even said something to the tune of "whatever I can't possibly lose this game" this should help show a motive for why someone would turn away from strategy to technicality when looking for his route to victory.

The person at the tournament in charge of supplying the prize and getting the venue comes over to straighten out this mess and he sees something is wrong. Starts to get into the specifics of what actually happened and at that point Rhyno offers and ID and the match ends. Sketchy to say the very least.

I admit ICBM has been known to 'dreams crush' or play out matches when there is an obvious reason for us to do so AKA get another teammate into t8, have better positioning in the t8, and even eliminate rival teams members from t8. All are legitimate reasons and if doing everything legal in a tournament setting to increase your placing garners you the reputation of greedy then so be it.

-Owen


I'm missing the part where Drummer79 follows the rules and DQs himself and Rhyno for interfering with a match state, cheating, lying to a judge, misrepresenting game state, and about ten other rules.
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] SCG Chicago Day 2 Report on: December 15, 2007, 04:27:08 pm
As for the article, well written, and ICBMers are notorious for exactly what he did by not scooping up the cards and letting you in.

If you're going to get all uppity about Steve misnaming the event, how about you guys stop getting the facts completely wrong. I was there and talked to the ICBM guys after they calculated the standings. Steve had zero chance to T8. Zero. Zilch. None. Tony had no reason to scoop to him and quite frankly I am sick of reading about people getting all indignant that their opponents refuse to grant them an unearned win or draw. You have no right to expect either and opponents are fully within their rights to demand to play things out. You cited ICBMers for not scooping as though it is some horrible unsportsmanlike action. Until people like you stop treating Vintage as a good old boys club and start treating it like a real format it will never get taken seriously.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] So Many Insane Plays -- A Golden Age of Vintage? on: November 23, 2007, 11:22:58 pm
I don't think your rhetoric here really addresses the point at hand which is Echoing Truth AND Stifle effects.  With the emergence of TK Deeznauts, packing 4 Stifles, 1 ET and a full counter-suite, do you still believe that ETW is the far superior win condition?  Stifle doesn't hurt Dryad/Goyf/Tog and ET (mentioned before by someone) only returns one of these threats to your hand to be played again.  You note that FOW, Thoughtseize, Drain, Pyro, REB and Duress are your answers the the threat of ET, but forgot to realize that your opponent is likely playing those same disruptive spells as well.  Lastly, with the post-board addition of Pyroclasm to many decks, you're looking at another one or two threats to your Goblin Tokens.

Deez Nauts runs zero Echoing Truth according to the latest SCG lists. And Stifle is hardly the ideal solution to ETW for a number of reasons. It leaves behind a pair of chump blockers, it can be Duressed at any point prior to going off with ETW, and it answers only a single casting, hardly fatal when the Gush player has access to 1 or 2 more in addition to replaying with Yawgmoth's Will and Regrowth as Owen is talking about.
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