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I realize this thread has meandered enough - but I think this is a good time to broaden the issue:
I have seen a growing number of fakes being played in tournaments.
At origins last year, a guy had a Lotus that I could tell at a glance was a fake. However, Mike Guptil, a level four judge, looked at it and couldn't disprove its authenticity - therefore it was legal for play.
At Starcitygames Richmond last fall, my opponent had a very good fake Mox. He went through the whole tournament without anyone saying anything. I could tell at a glance and when the judges were called over - they couldn't tell.
Even Ted Knutson wasn't sure. It was only because Pete Hoefling and Ben Bleiweiss were there a they had plenty of experience and power to compare it to tha they decided it was a fake.
The point I'm leading to is: if it is a fake, and I know its a fake, but a TO can't prove that its a fake becuase it is so well done, where does that bring us?
The price of power is so high that it only seems natural that more and more fakes will be entering the market and over time the quality will only increase. I have seen lots of people with power I know is fake but I don't even bother to tell them unless they ask me anymore because the often gave an arm and a leg for it.
By no means would I ever sell a card that I knew was a fake as real, but I can't bring myself to tell some poor kid who traded half his collection and a pile of cash for a card that it is a fake.
If only very, very few people can tell when a card is a fake, what do we do?
Where these beta fakes or Unlimited fakes, and how do you tell with such certainty?I have seen a growing number of fakes being played in tournaments.
At origins last year, a guy had a Lotus that I could tell at a glance was a fake. However, Mike Guptil, a level four judge, looked at it and couldn't disprove its authenticity - therefore it was legal for play.
At Starcitygames Richmond last fall, my opponent had a very good fake Mox. He went through the whole tournament without anyone saying anything. I could tell at a glance and when the judges were called over - they couldn't tell.
Even Ted Knutson wasn't sure. It was only because Pete Hoefling and Ben Bleiweiss were there a they had plenty of experience and power to compare it to tha they decided it was a fake.
The point I'm leading to is: if it is a fake, and I know its a fake, but a TO can't prove that its a fake becuase it is so well done, where does that bring us?
The price of power is so high that it only seems natural that more and more fakes will be entering the market and over time the quality will only increase. I have seen lots of people with power I know is fake but I don't even bother to tell them unless they ask me anymore because the often gave an arm and a leg for it.
By no means would I ever sell a card that I knew was a fake as real, but I can't bring myself to tell some poor kid who traded half his collection and a pile of cash for a card that it is a fake.
If only very, very few people can tell when a card is a fake, what do we do?
What are the distinguishing features that differentiate a fake from a variation in print? Sorry for the thread necromacy, but as you said, this only becomes a more prevalent issue with time...
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