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1  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Card choice/deck list discussion on Top 8 from SCG tourney on: July 19, 2004, 03:12:17 am
Marc Perez
U/R Fish

4 Volcanic Island
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
3 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Faerie Conclave
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Strip Mine

3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketail Hatchling
2 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Gorilla Shaman
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
4 Curiosity
2 Daze
1 Misdirection
1 Stifle
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
3 Rack and Ruin
2 Fire / Ice
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Maze of Ith
1 Stifle
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Energy Flux
1 Pyroblast
1 Null Rod
1 Crucible of Worlds

------------------------------------------

Eric Miller
The Man Show

4 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine

4 Trinisphere
3 Crucible of Worlds
1 Black Lotus
1 Grim Monolith
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
4 Juggernaut
3 Su-Chi
2 Goblin Welder
2 Triskelion
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Duplicant
1 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Burning Wish
1 Swords of Plowshares
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
3 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Damping Matrix
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Balance
1 Timetwister
1 Sundering Titan
1 Vindicate
1 Hull Breach
1 Dust to Dust
1 Artifact Mutation

---------------------------------------------------

Scott Limoges
4-Color GroAtog varient

4 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
2 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Strip Mine

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl

4 Quirion Dryad
2 Psychatog
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Night's Whisper
3 Cunning Wish
2 Duress
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Fire/Ice
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mind Twist
1 Gush

Sideboard
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Fire / Ice
1 Artifact Mutation
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Berserk
1 Smother
1 Ghastly Demise
1 Misdirection
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Naturalize
1 Oxidize

-----------------------------------------

Doug Linn
Meandeck's Titan

4 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Polluted Delta
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring

1 Mindslaver
4 Goblin Welder
2 Sundering Titan
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
3 Intuition
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker

Sideboard
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Chalice of the Void
2 Flametongue Kavu
2 Tsabo's Web
2 Rack and Ruin
2 Fire / Ice
1 Platinum Angel

------------------------------------------

Rich Herbert
U/R Fish

4 Mishra's Factory
4 Island
4 Volcanic Island
3 Wasteland
2 Faerie Conclave
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketail Hatchling
2 Gorilla Shaman
2 Voidmage Prodigy
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
4 Curiosity
3 Daze
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
4 Fire / Ice
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Energy Flux
3 Stifle
2 Maze of Ith

---------------------------------------------

Mike Panas
Modified 4-Color Control

3 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
3 Tundra
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 City of Brass
1 Flood Strand
1 Island
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

2 Exalted Angel
1 Gorilla Shaman
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
3 Cunning Wish
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Decree of Justice
2 Skeletal Scrying
2 Fire / Ice
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Mind Twist
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Balance

Sideboard
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Gush
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Coffin Purge
1 Disenchant
1 Damping Matrix
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Blue Elemental Blast

----------------------------------------

Matt Gronke
Landstill

4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
3 Faerie Conclave
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

4 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
4 Standstill
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Fire / Ice
3 Brainstorm
3 Annul
2 Stifle
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Counterspell
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Regrowth

Sideboard
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Oath of Druids
2 Darksteel Colossus
2 Hydroblast
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Gaea's Blessing

-----------------------------------

Chris Phillips
U/R Fish

4 Wasteland
4 Volcanic Island
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Grim Lavamancer
2 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Gorilla Shaman
4 Standstill
4 Force of Will
4 Curiosity
3 Fire / Ice
2 Daze
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
3 Rack and Ruin
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Maze of Ith
2 Stifle
2 Misdirection


------------------------------------------------------

Thoughts:

1.  Crucible of the World
Although it's used primarily during Fish mirror in the thourney, this cards shows great potential.  Targets such as dual lands, LoA, Workshop, Factory...etc are worth the spot.  I suspect a greater use of this card in the future.

2.  2 fish varients and 1 landstill in the Top 8 and no Tog
Ok, Phantom Tapwurm obviously knows what he's doing.  He won too many trophies w/ that.  Frustrating Steve and JP's loss against suicide black and/or red deck.  That's a sign, a prospect.  Fish is on the rise and Tog is going downhill.

3.  The Man Show
So... rogue.  Razormane Masticore?  Why?  I thought of various reasons, but still not sure why.  Even if it should be there, why not classic Masticore?  I am surprised at how well Chains fit into that deck.  Finally, some1 think of a good way to use that card.  It deserves a better place than suicide black.

4.  I was going to write my personal thoughts as the first reply.  However, Kowal locked it as soon as I post the list.  You Mods can do whatever w/ my thoughts on SCG, I can't tell the difference between rude savages and TMD mods anymore.
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Card choice/deck list discussion on Top 8 from SCG tourney on: July 19, 2004, 02:47:54 am
Marc Perez
U/R Fish

4 Volcanic Island
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
3 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Faerie Conclave
2 Island
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Strip Mine

3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketail Hatchling
2 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Gorilla Shaman
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
4 Curiosity
2 Daze
1 Misdirection
1 Stifle
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
3 Rack and Ruin
2 Fire / Ice
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Maze of Ith
1 Stifle
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Energy Flux
1 Pyroblast
1 Null Rod
1 Crucible of Worlds

------------------------------------------

Eric Miller
The Man Show

4 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Workshop
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine

4 Trinisphere
3 Crucible of Worlds
1 Black Lotus
1 Grim Monolith
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
4 Juggernaut
3 Su-Chi
2 Goblin Welder
2 Triskelion
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Duplicant
1 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Burning Wish
1 Swords of Plowshares
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
3 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Damping Matrix
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Balance
1 Timetwister
1 Sundering Titan
1 Vindicate
1 Hull Breach
1 Dust to Dust
1 Artifact Mutation

---------------------------------------------------

Scott Limoges
4-Color GroAtog varient

4 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
3 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
2 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Strip Mine

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl

4 Quirion Dryad
2 Psychatog
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Night's Whisper
3 Cunning Wish
2 Duress
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Fire/Ice
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Mind Twist
1 Gush

Sideboard
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Fire / Ice
1 Artifact Mutation
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Berserk
1 Smother
1 Ghastly Demise
1 Misdirection
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Naturalize
1 Oxidize

-----------------------------------------

Doug Linn
Meandeck's Titan

4 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Polluted Delta
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring

1 Mindslaver
4 Goblin Welder
2 Sundering Titan
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
3 Intuition
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker

Sideboard
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Chalice of the Void
2 Flametongue Kavu
2 Tsabo's Web
2 Rack and Ruin
2 Fire / Ice
1 Platinum Angel

------------------------------------------

Rich Herbert
U/R Fish

4 Mishra's Factory
4 Island
4 Volcanic Island
3 Wasteland
2 Faerie Conclave
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Spiketail Hatchling
2 Gorilla Shaman
2 Voidmage Prodigy
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
4 Curiosity
3 Daze
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
4 Fire / Ice
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Energy Flux
3 Stifle
2 Maze of Ith

---------------------------------------------

Mike Panas
Modified 4-Color Control

3 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
3 Tundra
3 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
2 City of Brass
1 Flood Strand
1 Island
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

2 Exalted Angel
1 Gorilla Shaman
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
3 Cunning Wish
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Decree of Justice
2 Skeletal Scrying
2 Fire / Ice
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Mind Twist
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Balance

Sideboard
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Gush
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Coffin Purge
1 Disenchant
1 Damping Matrix
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Blue Elemental Blast

----------------------------------------

Matt Gronke
Landstill

4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
3 Faerie Conclave
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

4 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
4 Standstill
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Fire / Ice
3 Brainstorm
3 Annul
2 Stifle
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Counterspell
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Regrowth

Sideboard
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Oath of Druids
2 Darksteel Colossus
2 Hydroblast
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Gaea's Blessing

-----------------------------------

Chris Phillips
U/R Fish

4 Wasteland
4 Volcanic Island
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria

3 Null Rod
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Grim Lavamancer
2 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Gorilla Shaman
4 Standstill
4 Force of Will
4 Curiosity
3 Fire / Ice
2 Daze
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

Sideboard
3 Rack and Ruin
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Maze of Ith
2 Stifle
2 Misdirection
3  Eternal Formats / Creative / rack and ruin vs crash on: July 08, 2004, 11:20:22 pm
Many builds in T1 have rack and ruin in the SB.  One example would be the Gay Fish deck.  However, I have found that rack and ruin does not really generate the artifact hate I would like to happen when I side it in.  

Face it, the most dominant deck that uses artifact is workshop varients, which involves tangle wire and smokestack most of time.  Too often, I run into the siutation of holding rack and ruin in my hand, can't get to the 4 mana because of sphere of resistance.  However, crash provides a nice way to deal with the resistance problem.  Tap the mt, sac the mt, and then destory the smokestack/sphere/tangle wire or whatever artifact that you hate while resistance is in play, that's a huge plus.  

Ok, granted, crash does not provide any additional benefits if 3sphere or welder is out.  However, so is rack and ruin.  Strictly speaking in term of just these 2 cards, I believe crash's alternative casting cost is actually better than rack and ruin's X2 artifact destruction.  

Am I missing something important?  Feedback is welcomed.
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Gay/r/g Anaylsis: Standstill vs Brainstorm vs Mask of Memory on: July 04, 2004, 08:21:21 pm
You know why some people suggest brainstorm?  Because they kept a bad hand!  Hence, they want to put in brainstorm for better dig.

If you have a crappy hand, throw it back.  Putting brainstorm in the deck doesn't solve the problem.  Learn to become a better player, so you can abuse standstill.
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Madness, still okay? on: July 04, 2004, 08:16:31 pm
oxidize is a completely meta-game choice.  Unless your locals are all about workshop decks (ironcially, there's such a group), plz don't maindeck it.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] Type I in Spartanburg, SC 6/26/04 on: July 04, 2004, 08:10:25 pm
Good Job with 4CC.  The problem w/ Ctrl Madness (no bazaar) is that the deck cannot sufficiently resolve and protect its outlet.  Hence, STP becomes a even more voluable asset for 4CC, something Tog cannot match.

As far as I know, Hill is a good player from Charleston.  Looks like workshop decks are the favorites in that area.
7  Eternal Formats / Creative / Summer Deck Choices (Voice your Opinion) on: July 04, 2004, 08:01:03 pm
Summer means lots of proxy t1 tourna going on somewhere.  

If you have power/workshop:
4 Color Control
4 Color Tog
Trinstax

If you don't have power:
Gay Fish
Control Madness
Food Chain Goblin



Germbus <--- A useless, meaningless term no European or West coast players would care/appreciate.  Some people are giving themselves too much credit for something that's already known for the longest time.
8  Eternal Formats / Creative / [Single Card Discussion] Force of Will: Saving T1? on: July 04, 2004, 07:53:05 pm
1.  Common Sense

Force of Will holds T1 together.  Otherwise, the format will just degenerate into a dice rolling game.  Tinker deck in 2003-2004 extended season shows the lack of powerful counter means no interaction and the combo decks just Wins.  

2.  Counter

1. Force of Will
2. Mana Drain
3. REB/Daze/MisD
9  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Opinions: Format Diagnosis on: June 23, 2004, 10:29:35 am
Healthy?  There's no such thing.

To have a "healthy" format, that's the same as saying:  Under US Consititution, the people have "equal" oppertunity.  The fact is: people don't have equal oppertunity.  There're always budget players, and there are always more budget/degenerate decks than power decks.  

I would argue that people just adapt and survive.  As long as there are enough people to start a tournament, a tournament that's composed of mostly budget players is as "healthy" as a tournament that's composed of power players.  A tournament that's composed of mostly 1 or 2 types is as healthy as a tournament that's composed of 4 or 5 types.  To call a "form" or a "scheme" that defines what's healthy, you are just putting your own little preference/view of the world upon other people.
10  Eternal Formats / Creative / Trinistax viability on: June 09, 2004, 09:22:10 pm
That's not true.  Slavery deck will die to deck that uses null rod.  Ever since JP posted budge deck, which includes null rod, many players begin to play the mull-until-null-rod approach.

It's just execution.  Good players find a way to make it work.
11  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Report] 3-4 at Dream Wizards with Meyer U/G Madness on: June 09, 2004, 09:15:11 pm
Stupefying Touch is a must.  I agree with the SB choice about Chill.  This deck definately needs some work against FCG/ random sligh deck.
12  Eternal Formats / Creative / Has anyone tried GroBoldsClamp in any tournaments yet? on: June 01, 2004, 03:22:03 am
The deck is simple enough to understand by reading the list.  I am wondering if any1 actually bring this deck to any tourna.  instead of playing on appr/mws.  What else is there to write?  OMG, manadrain is such a friendly place?
13  Eternal Formats / Creative / Has anyone tried GroBoldsClamp in any tournaments yet? on: June 01, 2004, 02:35:42 am
I saw this deck online the other day.  Pretty interesting.  Anyone try it in any tournaments yet?  Is this a casual deck?  Or potentially competitive?

1 Berserk
1 Polluted Delta
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
4 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Flooded Strand
 
4 Quirion Dryad

1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Timetwister
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
---------> 4 Skullclamp <----------------------
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
3 Cunning Wish
3 Daze
3 Force of Will
3 Brainstorm

SB: 1 Stifle
SB: 1 Unsummon
SB: 1 Vampiric Tutor
SB: 1 Bone Harvest
SB: 1 Skeletal Scrying
SB: 1 Force of Will
SB: 1 Misdirection
SB: 1 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 1 Crumble
SB: 1 Smother
SB: 1 Diabolic Edict
SB: 1 Capsize
SB: 1 Naturalize
SB: 1 Coffin Purge
SB: 1 Berserk
14  Eternal Formats / Creative / Best/Cheapest way to get Power!? on: April 12, 2004, 01:58:51 pm
If you don't own any power or close to power (bazaar, workshop...etc), then the 1st choice should be lotus/ancestral.  

Depending on what kind of player are you, if you are just generic, want to keep your options open, save all the money and get that lotus/ancestral.  If you are Oscar-tan-ish, more of a control player to begin w/, then you can start on mana drain.  They'll give you a better shot in the later tourn. to get your potential ancestral/lotus.
15  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Void of Mephistopheles on: April 12, 2004, 01:48:57 pm
Why would people MD Both Chains And Nether Void?  That's like super-hate against blue-control/combo deck.  I don't think you'll draw God-hand and get 4 mana for the Void everything time.  Since opponent run moxes and you are struggling for mana, you might want to consider null rod.  Artifact hate is the real necessary evil here.  Chains and scrying are horrible syngery to begin w/ anyway.
16  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Void of Mephistopheles on: April 11, 2004, 02:26:59 pm
uh.., Nether Void and Chains serve the same purpose, to beat control deck.  Isn't that a bit redundant?  

I agree Nether Void type deck is not the same as suicide.  But.., Chains is such conditional card and it only works in some match-up.  MD means you are putting a potential dead card in ur deck.
17  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / T1 fundamentals on: February 15, 2004, 12:06:54 am
Discussed and written long time ago:

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandnews.php?Article=5227
18  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Nether Void on: February 14, 2004, 02:41:04 am
@JACO

Glad some1 is old/intelligent enough to leave out the emotion.  

1.  You don't think I run Factory do you?
The deck list is more than 1/2 years old.  Do you actually think I follow the entire deck list?

2.  
Vs. Rector Trix:
+3 Cabal Therapy
-3 Pernicious Deed
Vs. Keeper:
+2 Skeletal Scrying
-2 Pernicious Deed
These are examples of poor choices

It's not fair for you to judge that.  That article is written in 2003.  The Rector Trix and Paragon Keeper in 2003 obviously are not the same as 2004.  Also, what do you need the Deed for when Rector will go off on the 2nd turn?  Do you plan to mulligan until you can cast 1st/2nd deed?  Or do you much rather have more disruptions to stop the combo from going off?

@Deed != disruption
Every deck has a plan.  If you twist and change the definition of dirsuption in that sense, it's merely a War of Words on the definition of disruption.  Pointless argument.  My Powder Keg hits the table, it changes your plan; hence, is it a disruption?  My Mind Slayer hits the table, it changes your plan.  A disruption!  My Oblivion Stone hits the table, another disruption.  Why don't you count every board sweeper as disruption?
19  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Nether Void on: February 13, 2004, 01:47:05 am
@TracerBullet, jeremyc_1999

You have no right to judge what deck I play and what deck I don't play.  Sure, smear me or call me whatever names you like.  I have provided my reasonings:

1.  Deed is a board sweeper, not a disruption.
2.  Timely Disruption is the reason BG void win games, not the 4th Deed.
3.  Cast 2nd turn deed when you can cast "real" disruption does not make sense unless you are playing against aggro.  Hence, the example of 2nd turn deed against Dragon.  

Conclusion:  In my opinion, all modern/meta version of BG void are more or less a variation of Vegeta's primer with the exact concept, which is half-years old.  Play your 4th deed if you desire so, more wins for me.  Obviously, some of you have not read the article:
http://www.themanadrain.com/primers/bgvoid.htm

I started out w/ BG void, but recently it's more interesting to toy/experiment w/ null rod, Chalice...etc.
20  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Smmenen's Hulk Smash 2K4 on: February 12, 2004, 11:05:50 pm
No matter how you slice/examine the list, it's just good all around.  Can't go wrong w/ his deck list.
21  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Nether Void on: February 12, 2004, 10:50:02 pm
@themajickguy

No, Deed is Not a disruption.  Who are you disrupting?  What part of your opponent did you disrupt?  Did your opponent lose his hand or his mana base because of it?

Your opponent is playing Dragon.  You play 2nd turn Deed.  Did you just disrupt your opponent?

Exactly....  If mentioning hymn/duress/disruption can be counted as productive, then I am extremely productive, relative to others.
22  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Debate: Why Dragon? on: February 12, 2004, 10:42:19 pm
1. Benchmark?
Dragon = benchmark for combo?  Uh.., I don't think it's one of those well-known, widely recognized fact.  Yes, that statement is pretty close, but no reason to take it for granted.


2.
Most people already mentioned it:  It CAN'T win consistently on turn 1, and often kills on turn 3.  In that case, If Dragon players get a broken start, you SHOULD do something broken in return.  It's Type One after all, competition has always been like this.  What's the big deal?
23  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Nether Void on: February 12, 2004, 02:02:32 pm
@Pern
--Pern
--Do these decks run permanents?
--Moxen? Future Sight? Nevinyrral's Disk? Isochron Scepter? Tangle Wire?
--Deed is rarely dead.

There are decks called Rector-Agony, it goes off about 2nd turn.  Faster than you can deed.  There is this deck called Dragon.  It uses Bazaar a lot, can your Deed away that?  

Again, your probabilty of getting green mana and 2~3 more mana on turn two is pretty low.  
 
@Deed against Decree Keeper
Keeper has these stables such as FoW and Manadrain.  You expect a Keeper player to allow your deed to hit the board?  Plz don't ask a 3 years old to play keeper.

@Wumpus
Because the recent popularity of artifact, mass-sweeper like Deed becomes very good in the meta.  However, don't get carried away by the meta-game.  Deed is not gonna win it for u.  Your creatures will.  If artifact hate is what you are looking for, null rod would be better off for the current meta.
24  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] Spoils Mask on: February 10, 2004, 09:32:06 pm
Agree with Smmenen about wasteland.  Unless all ur opponents are budget players, wasteland will help.

From experience on the other side of the table, I would actually agressively mulligan until I draw my null rod.  In current meta, null rod seems to be a popular choice.  Mask will most likely need a better SB.
25  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck] Tangle Wire Sligh on: February 10, 2004, 09:27:19 pm
Androstanolone is correct.

Both Ankh sligh and Tangle wire have been around for a long time.  People use ankh or piller instead of tangle wires for a good reason.  I am sure many of us and pros have considered tangle wires already.  

Sorry to burst the bubble, even with today's meta game, it's not worth it.
26  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Nether Void on: February 07, 2004, 11:28:52 pm
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Good job at the tournament. Skeletal Scrying IS an MVP, as I've been telling you guys. Everybody should be running 2-3, whether they are playing black/green or just mono black (which would be an unfortunate situation). Also, please don't EVER side out Withered Wretch against a Rector based deck. Would they side their Rectors out against you? Of course not, so don't side out one of your absolute key components to beating them. Disrupt them to keep them off balance, then hold steady on the board with a Wretch.


Agree.  

Surprised that no masknought varients show up.  Wanted to hear a report against Stacker or WMud match-up though.
27  Eternal Formats / Creative / Extended Section in manadrain? on: February 02, 2004, 02:55:49 pm
Uh..., if my memory serves me correctly, there used to have an extended section in manadrain forum.  Uh..., do you guys mind to reopen that again?  

T1 players are scarce/few around my area, Extended players are much ezier to find.  Extended section would have a greater appeal, hence boost the popularity of the manadrain as well.  Please consider.
28  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / [Deck Discussion] Nether Void on: February 02, 2004, 02:35:29 pm
@colder:
Uh..., PLEASE don't blame on the DECK.  It's YOU.  I am not hating on you, but it's really YOU.  Consult for restricted cards, yes, as you said, it's your mistake, not the deck.

@BG void:

Cabal therapy > Hymn to Tourach
Cabal therapy allows you to force your threat through.  

Example:
You cast your hymn in early game.  Later, you cast Yawg Will, it gets countered.

You cast cabal in early game.  You cast creature.  You flashback cabal.  You cast Yawg Will, it gets through.

Also, Cabal can prevent misdirection, yes some random outdated blue players still use it.

@TracerBullet
3 (YES, 3, DON'T THINK MORE) Pernicious Deed
How many primers or Rakso's articles have you read?  All the pros run THREE.  Same reasons Nether Void deck only run THREE Nether Void.  If you need one more, something is wrong w/ the way you play.

@Negator vs Masticore
Obviously, when you play BG deck, you SB Masticore against Aggro.  Under that assumption, you should WIN All the control/blue match-up.  Negator is anoter boost to ENSURE you for that match-up.  Maindeck Negator means that you will most likely win the match-up you deserve to win.  If your opponent is aggro, then you really need masticore, extra hypnotic or wretch won't help you to win.  

@Creature removal
There is this deck called Masknought.  It also has a varient called Spoilnought.  I heard that it can kill VERY VERY fast, faster than your four mana.

What is the probability of you, drawing Deed AND have ONE GREEN mana AND have THREE BLACK mana ready?  Face it, even with 4 deed, the chance is low.  Masknought will EAT you faster than you can get up your mana count, statistically speaking.  No, you won't be able to duress/hymn away.  Because masknought will duress/hymn your disruption away first.  The solution is diabolic edict.



Conclusion:
Null-Deed is better.  I tried BG Void in Grand Prix and other tourna. occasion.  Artifact hate is necessary evil, it's that simple.
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