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1  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck] The Permanent Painter / innovating engine on: September 11, 2008, 10:44:07 am
In my opinion the new hype on Null Rod is an American thing and the list was made for European tournaments where Null Rod is not worth playing it. Probably you guys find a way to add it to the list and make good results with it in the US.

I just forgot to add Time Walk. It is of course part of the deck.

I have not tested the list that much by now because I am also working on some other decks right now but during those few tests the Tolarian Academy was doing well all the time.
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck] The Permanent Painter / innovating engine on: September 10, 2008, 10:22:27 am
Probably it is interesting for you that we are also working on some deck which uses Perilous Research and Hatching Plans in germany. As an additional sac outlet we make use of Drinker of Sorrow. The Drinker is our primary win condition besides Tinker DSC and it works very well during our tests.

I thought about using Phyrexian Negator or Drinker of Sorrow as a win condition. Up until now, I have to admit that I never tested it.
Can you provide use with some feed back? Especially when it comes to the sacrifice effect of Drinker : is it good? Cause except when Hatching is on board, you don't want to sacrifice a permanent.

In our lists we use both of them Negator and Drinker. The sacrifice effect doesn't really matter because you have so much carddraw that you should have enough permanents to support Drinker of Sorrow. You can also sacrifice unused lands to the Drinker because our deck just needs three mana. This builds up a well performing draw engine with Plans, Drinker and Perilous Research.

Yawgmoths Will also gets stronger if you have sacrificed permanent before you play it.

Do you have a decklist of this deck using the Drinker and Negator?

The deck is not anything special:

1 Tolarian Academy
3 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
4 Underground Sea
4 Island
1 Swamp

1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring

2 Phyrexian Negator
4 Dark Confidant
4 Drinker of Sorrow
1 Darksteel Collossus

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawghmoths Will
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tinker
1 Senseis Divining Top
4 Hatching Plans
4 Perilous Research

4 Force of Will
4 Duress
3 Mana Drain 
1 Echoing Truth
 
So the Deck consists basically of the engine, some mana and some disruption.
3  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck] The Permanent Painter / innovating engine on: September 10, 2008, 06:28:31 am
Probably it is interesting for you that we are also working on some deck which uses Perilous Research and Hatching Plans in germany. As an additional sac outlet we make use of Drinker of Sorrow. The Drinker is our primary win condition besides Tinker DSC and it works very well during our tests.

I thought about using Phyrexian Negator or Drinker of Sorrow as a win condition. Up until now, I have to admit that I never tested it.
Can you provide use with some feed back? Especially when it comes to the sacrifice effect of Drinker : is it good? Cause except when Hatching is on board, you don't want to sacrifice a permanent.

In our lists we use both of them Negator and Drinker. The sacrifice effect doesn't really matter because you have so much carddraw that you should have enough permanents to support Drinker of Sorrow. You can also sacrifice unused lands to the Drinker because our deck just needs three mana. This builds up a well performing draw engine with Plans, Drinker and Perilous Research.

Yawgmoths Will also gets stronger if you have sacrificed permanent before you play it.
4  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck] The Permanent Painter / innovating engine on: September 08, 2008, 03:23:33 pm
Probably it is interesting for you that we are also working on some deck which uses Perilous Research and Hatching Plans in germany. As an additional sac outlet we make use of Drinker of Sorrow. The Drinker is our primary win condition besides Tinker DSC and it works very well during our tests.

I also wanted to add Painter to those lists like you did beder but in my case i want to stay UB for reasons of stability.

@ Beder: How often did you play Hatching Plan without having any possibility to sacrifice it during your testing? I mean the card itself reminds in some way on Standstill but it does actually nothing on its own. So how do you play it. Do you play it and hope that you find some outlet to use it or do you keep it in your hand until you have something to use it and bluff?

DerMeik
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Vintage 2.0] - New Deck - Bōmbāsti.cc on: July 10, 2008, 06:54:10 am
I do not think that this list is better than traditional TPS lists.

Sure, we have to switch out Brainstorm for something new but I do not think that Manamorphose fits that role. I also don't like the singletons Gush and Frantic Search. If you want to fix your Manabase Nights Whisper would be a card to put your eye on.

What about the Time Walk? Do you think that it is strong enough without Tinker/Titan or Tinker/DSC?

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