Thank you.

I always thought is was Chinese, but I've never been 100% sure.  Does anyone know without a doubt what it is?  It's headed for the auction block, so I figured I may as well know what I'm selling first.

There's not a whole lot of mysticism in a basic land with "Mox Jet" scribbled across it.  Since that's where the format is headed, I would much rather see official reprints and let WotC make money off it.

Proxies absolutely suck, but what choice do people really have right now if the goal is to make the format grow?

I play with full Beta power (except for an UL Time Walk).  I would buy a metric asston of a reprint set that included P9, Library, Workshop, Mana drain, etc.  I'd be willing to pay in full for at least a case of this before the set was even printed.

Wizards doesn't make much off Type I, because of the choices they made.  They could be making loads of cash from it.  So what if it's a broken format.  Let the players decide if they prefer standard or vintage or both.  As it stands now, the players have decided that proxies are the way to go, which is horrible for Wizards in the long run.

Re: The Doomsday cast too early in your final match.

I'm curious to know what you did choose for five cards, even though you knew you were going to lose.  I would have gone for these five, which would be worth 26 points of damage, assuming that my opponent misplayed horribly and let me actually live long enough to draw them all.

Black Lotus
Dark Ritual
Dark Ritual
Tendrils
Yawgmoth's Will

A 0.0001% chance of winning is still better than nothing.

FYI: Chris == Monotone on TMD.  He's one of the better players in the Minneapolis area.

It's worth remembering that the exact same argument is made against the idea of reprints too.

Proxies are good for the short-term, because it's something that the players can control.  Eventually, however, WotC needs to realize that reprints are a giant cash cow just waiting to be milked.  They would also do wonders for the Type 1 tournament scene.

A writer for Star City Games is telling us that Seeds of Innocence, Root Maze, and Ticking Gnomes are impossible to find?

Where is it decreed that you must play for cards?  These would simply turn into $500 cash tournaments.

If you somehow managed to set a limit like that (which would require some bizarre government action), you would accomplish exactly the opposite of what you want.  Think that moxes are hard to find now?  Set a price cap on them and you'll never see one again.

If you want cheap moxes, push for reprints or play in proxy tournaments.

The line on Chains that reads "If the player discards a card, he or she draws a card." doesn't live in isolation.  All of the card text together is one replacement effect for a draw.

Maybe I'm just not getting what you mean.

He tapped everything to begin with.  My question has nothing to do with the mox.  I'm just not clear on how the existence of the City's triggered effect changes my options for welding in a Sphere in time to modify the cost of the Triskelion.

Scenario #1:
My opponent has in play 1 City of Brass and 5 moxes.  He has no other sources of mana in play.  He has a Sphere of Resistance in his graveyard.

I have an active Goblin Welder in play.

My opponent announces that he wishes to cast Triskelion.  He taps his 6 mana sources.

In response to the triggered damage from the City of Brass, I weld one mox of his for the Sphere in his graveyard.  Will the Sphere now require him to pay 7 mana for the Triskelion, or is it already too late?

Scenario #2:
Replace the City of Brass and 1 mox with an Ancient Tomb.   I think that in this case, I will have no opportunity to get the Sphere into play in time, because I have nothing to respond to.   The damage from Ancient Tomb doesn't go on the stack as an ability like the City's, right?

Currently, you are given two choices when performing a search:

1. Search topic title and message text
2. Search message text only

This seems backwards.  Wouldn't it make more sense to add an option (or change #2) to be:

*. Search topic titles only


It'd make searching for decks easier anyway, which I think is the point of having search in the first place as it cuts down on the "Hey, can I get a decklist for XYZ?" posts.

Did you split in the finals with me last week with a deck similar to this, or am I blanking out completely on who Methuselahn is?  The fact that a Zur's Weirding was on the table during our swiss match makes me think that it was you.

I was playing two color TPS if that helps.

Anecdote from that match, so that this post isn't completely worthless:
In our last game, he went first.  He had what would have been a bomb of a hand, including a first turn Zur's Weirding which was a total surprise to me.  Unfortunately for him, I had a Library of Alexandria in my hand, and he didn't have a Wasteland.  2-1 life payments to deny each other mana was too much for him to outlast.  I think that he made a mistake by letting me keep a Brainstorm, but honestly there wasn't a whole lot he could have done at that point.  It was a long long game that was won on the first turn.

In general, yes I'd drive from Minneapolis to Owatonna for a Saturday tournament.  Especially if you guys stagger these to not conflict with Dreamers and St. Cloud tournament weekends.

I can't make this specific event though.

I'm not a judge, but I'm pretty sure that Desert won't stop a Goblin Lackey.

I had already said, "Go" after laying my turn-1 land.  On his upkeep, I noticed that I needed to discard.  I tend to play fairly strictly, so when I do something as amazingly stupid as drawing 8 cards to start the game I'll just eat the loss.  

If we hadn't started yet, I'd just call over the judge and get my warning.  I already knew what his turn 1 play was though, which to me makes it cheating if I use the rules to then decide that I really wanted to mulligan to 6.

The really annoying part is that I always place each of my 7 cards individually on my playmat, then count them again before I pick them up.  Apparently, two cards were stuck perfectly together and escaped my notice.  Time for new sleeves.

Slight correction on that report:
I was playing 7/10, not trinistax.  Also, I never saw a Call of the Herd all night from your deck.  We had some good games, which were ultimately won via his Force of Will.  He had one for the Trinisphere that would have beaten him, and another for the Blood Moon that would have done the same.  The boas bought him just enough time to beat me senseless.

Not unless WotC issues reprints.  The chances of them allowing player made proxies in sanctioned tournaments are nil.  "WotC Approved" proxies, while also unlikely, would at least be a possibility once they have to start looking for new sources of income.

(Yes, I know about the reprint policy, but it is hardly a legal contract.  It's a simple matter of how many people you piss off vs. how many packs of reprints you'd sell.)

Wouldn't this imply that the person who is disheartened by netdecking has, in fact, done just that?

Magic players should probably be careful about throwing around terms like "social outcast".

Plus it doesn't kill lands.  It does kill enchantments though, which is of marginal utility in the current Type I environment.

In the realm of cute EOT effects, Prosperity comes to mind.  You could run the entire ProsBloom engine on your opponent's EOT if you really wanted to.  All you have to do is figure out how to not kill yourself in the process.  

Indeed!

So far, the best point made in this thread is that randomization != even distribution of land.  If your deck is random, it will have land pockets.  It's just how random a deck really needs to be that is the issue with the floor rules.  How does a judge decide what is random and what isn't?

Re: Magical Hack

For what you guys are trying to use Magical Hack, wouldn't Whim of Volrath be a better choice?

JP: I thought you wanted the signal-to-noise ratio to be higher in this forum.  Ok, they had an overpowered version in testing.  The wording that added to the mana cost, instead of changing it to (3) was even more broken.

I know I'm just bitching, but I still can't figure out what this thread has to do with Type-1 magic.

-- Jim

Of the 8 Beta power I'm using, I've done the bend test on every one of them, including the Lotus.  It's really not a big deal if you do it right.  When I traded several unlimited power for some beta cards, we did a bend test on both sides of the trade.

It's nothing compared to the beating they take when I shuffle.

I voted for zero proxies, because I prefer that tournaments be sanctioned.  I'm not against people being able to use power without paying a lot for it, which is why I am strongly in favor of reprints.

In the end, this thread is pointless for a few simple reasons.

* The DCI isn't going to allow proxies.
* You can do whatever you want with your non-sanctioned tournaments.
* Since day 1 this game has been about playing with the cards that WotC printed.  It has always been that way, and everyone knows it coming in.  It's an expensive hobby.

If you want to use proxies at your local tournaments, go nuts.  Keep pressuring WotC to issue reprints while you're at it.  Point out the decrease in the number of Type-1 sanctioned events compared to the number of unsanctioned events as support.

His Parfait deck is slanted toward our metagame and plays more like real Parfait than a combo deck.  It's basically white Isochron control with Orim's Chant, Tithe, and Swords.  Of course there's the Tax/Rack combo as well.  I saw 1 Humility,  1 Wrath of God, and Balance as the sweeping creature control.  There are several little combos in the deck, like Argivian Find (on a stick preferably) to bring back things like Seal of Cleansing.  Mox Diamond / Ruby / Pearl, Black Lotus, Sol Ring, and Lotus Petal seemed to be the artifact accelerators.

It's outstandingly annoying to play against, if you had any desires of keeping a creature on the table.  Especially when on any given turn, you're probably going to eat 30 damage.  I was talking to him about how he did at the big Sunday tournament with it, and apparently he twice pulled off the first turn Lotus, Find, Lotus, Land Tax, Scroll Rack, Balance.  You've got to love seeing a white deck explode like that.