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1  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Announcement] Oct 2, Free Online Legacy Tourney, Prize: 10 Duals on: September 12, 2005, 05:21:31 am
It will be truly Swiss. If you lose a round, you can continue playing. Probably after 7 rounds, the 8 players with the most points will advance to a Top 8 playoff.

I added more information to the initial post above to answer other questions.
2  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / [Announcement] Oct 2, Free Online Legacy Tourney, Prize: 10 Duals on: September 11, 2005, 02:56:37 pm
On October 2, Noon EDT, Magic-League.com will host a Swiss Oct 20 Legacy Tournament. Play will be with Magic Workstation. By 'Oct 20' we mean Ravnica and the Portal and Starter sets will be already allowed in this tournament.

There will be 10 Revised Dual lands divided among the Top 4. There is 1 of each dual. The pick order will most likely be: 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

More information can be found on Magic-League.com.

We expect the tournament to be 7 rounds, followed by a Top 8. Starting time: Noon EDT = 11:00 CDT = 10:00 MDT = 9:00 PDT = 17:00 GMT = 18:00 CET.

Addendum:
Also, you can win Byes for the first 2 rounds by winning or becoming 2nd in the Trials in the 3 weeks leading up to the Master. The winner of a Trial will get 2 Byes for the 1st and 2nd round; finalist a Bye for the 1st round. One player can only have a maximum of 2 Byes. If you have byes, you need to sign up regularly before the starting time and message the Tournament Coordinator seperately to remind him of your Bye(s) and then you get (a) free match win(s) without playing!

The tournament is open to everyone, also new players who never played in Magic-League before. You will need to sign up on your site and it is very advised to test if you have Magic Workstation properly installed and make your deck well ahead to prevent security code problems. (When you join, you upload the deck to our site; our site will have your deck security code then, which should match the security code that shows up in Magic Wokrtstation when you start games. This is to prevent people changing decks during the tournament.)
3  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Where Does Everyone Play? on: February 07, 2005, 02:35:24 pm
www.magic-league.com  Cool
4  Archives / Archived Vintage Tournament Forum / Online T1 MWS Invitational with $80 store credit for Top 4 on: December 11, 2004, 10:18:30 am
www.Magic-League.com will organize a T1 MWS Invitational on Sunday, December 19 at Noon EST (=11AM CST=10AM MST=9AM PST=17:00 GMT=18:00 CET). The winner will get $50 store credit, 2nd: $20, 3rd and 4th both $5. The store credit is from our sponsor: www.MagicArsenal.com

You can qualify for the Invitational by finishing in the Top 8 of the following tournaments:

12/12, Sun, 1 PM EST, MWS, Vintage (T1)
12/13, Mon, 8 PM EST, MWS, Legacy (T1.5)
12/14, Tue, 1 PM EST, MWS, Extended
12/15, Wed, 7 PM EST, Appr, Standard (T2)
12/16, Thu, 1 PM EST, MWS, Legacy (T1.5)
12/17, Fri, 8 PM EST, MWS, Vintage (T1)
12/18, Sat, 1 PM EST, MWS, Extended

These tournaments will be single elimination so instead of a Top 8, there might also be a Top 5, Top 6 or Top 7. You may find it unpleasant that not all of them are T1, but we are also trying to satisfy players who just come to play in these tournaments to test a certain format.

Rating invites will also be given to at least the top 8 ranked Eternal players of Magic-League. A total of 64 players will be invited.

Most of the tournaments will be played with Magic Workstation (MWS) and they will take place in #workstation on irc.SolidIRC.com. You can go there with mIRC or through our Chatroom on the site.

Hopefully see you there!

Greets,

Koen
Magic-League.com
5  Archives / Archived Vintage Tournament Forum / [announcement] Online T1 Tourney. Prize: $40 store credit. on: May 09, 2004, 10:21:19 am
Hi people,

We at www.Magic-League.com will hold a T1 Swiss Tournament with $40 store credit for the winner. The store credit can be spent at our sponsor's online store: www.ImpulseMagic.com

The tournament will be played with Magic Workstation ( www.MagicWorkstation.com ) We also have a MWS Guide on our site, in case you have trouble getting used to it.

The T1 Swiss tournament will be on Sunday, May 23, at Noon Eastern Time. (= 11 AM Central Time = 10 AM Mountain Time = 9 AM Pacific Time = 18:00 Central European Time).

It will be on the server: irc.ZiRC.org and in the #workstation channel. You can go there with mIRC ( www.mIRC.com ) or our chatroom on the site. We have a guide on our site for mIRC.

You can still earn Byes for this tournament (like for a GP) in the following Vintage Trials:
Monday, May 10, at 7 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.
Friday, May 14, at 1 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.
Monday, May 17, at 1 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.
Tuesday, May 18, at 7 PM Eastern Time, T1.5 Trial Tournament.
Thursday, April 20, at 1 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.
Friday, April 21, at 7 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.

The winner of a Trial gets 2 Byes; the runner-up: 1 Bye. You can have a maximum of 2 Byes and 2 Byes would mean that you can start playing in round 3 with 6 points in the pocket. Of course people without Byes can also join.

We are expecting about 40 - 100 participants, so you can expect 5, 6 or 7 Swiss rounds, and then a cut to a top 8 single elimination play-off. We'll hopefully see you there!

Greetings,

Koen
www.Magic-League.com Director.
6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Enough blue sources in Control Slaver to use Mana Drain? on: April 23, 2004, 01:14:47 pm
fishhead wrote the following here:
Quote
This is something I don't get about this deck. A lot of people are playing really aggressive land counts like 17 or 16, yet you do want to be able to cast Mana Drain ASAP. (Dont you?!)

Running a little math(*), I find that a 7 card hand has about a 40% chance of not showing UU to start. An 8 card hand is 31%, a 9 card hand is 24%. So:

UU 7 cards 60%
UU 8 cards 69%
UU 9 cards 76%

Now, you have to make your mulligan decision after seeing either 7 or 8 cards depending on whether you won the coin toss; you'll have to make your turn 2 play after 8 or 9 cards; hence these numbers.

Can you afford to keep a hand with one blue source? It's relatively likely you'll have to make that decision in any given game. I don't get how Mana Drain ends up being a valid part of this decks plan given the land count.

(*) Math caveats: There are like 100 caveats to this sort of calculation. I only counted lands and the sapphire as U sources, so no Lotus and no Tolarian. I didn't account for any plays by either player, like you Ancestralling to get more cards or him Wastelanding your land. But the numbers should serve as a decent benchmark for discussion.


I am replying here because the level of intelligence and T1 knowledge in the restricted forum is supposedly far beyond mine, so I can't post there, but I just had to point out that this calculation is wrong, before this wrong math starts to influence people's deck building decisions.

If you calculate the chance for at least 2 blue mana sources in a hand of 7 cards, while you have 17 blue mana sources, this is how it should be done:

43/60 * 42/59 * 41/58 * 40/57 * 39/56 * 38/55 * 37/54 = 8.344%
17/60 * 43/57 * 42/58 * 41/57 * 40/56 * 39/55 * 38/54 = 3.834%
The above chance in the 6 other orders:                      = 23.002%

Chance of no 2 blue mana sources in 7 cards:        35.179% (Sum of the 3 chances above)

So that's about 35% instead of the 40% previously advocated by fishhead.

Recap: The first line is the chance that you draw no lands at all. You can't just do (43/60)^7, because if a non-land is drawn, the odds for a land increase. The 2nd line is the chance of first drawing a land, then 6 non-land, you have to do this 7 times, for each order in which this can happen. Then you have all the odds added up for not drawing 2 lands.

Some people after the quoted post rightfully pointed out that Brainstorm should improve your chances. I also did the calculation in the case of having 4 Brainstorms (BS) and an Ancestral (A), then the calculation of all the unpleasant scenarios becomes:

No land in 7 cards: 8.344%
1 land, but no BS, no A: 12.152%
1 land, a BS/A, but no land in next 3 cards: 4.870%
This adds up to: 25.366%

Note that this is almost 10 percent points lower! So the addition of Brainstorms is obviously very good. But most people already know that, I hope.

The exact calculation:
8.344%: see above.
17/60 * 38/59 * 37/58 * 36/57 * 35/56 * 34/55 * 33/54 = 12.152%
The calculation of the 4.870% is more complicated:
Chance of just 1 land 3.834% + 23.002% (see above) = 26.836%
The chance of 1 land, but no BS, no A: 12.152%.
The difference between the above 2 chances is the chance that you have a hand with 1 land and at least 1 BS or A. This difference is: 14.684%. Then when you have 1 land and a BS or A, the chance that there is no land in the next 3 cards is:
37/53 * 36/52 * 35/51 = 33.168%
Then: 33.168% * 14.684% = 4.870%

Note that even this is not completely right, as with Ancestral you will see 4 more cards out of which 1 being a land would be sufficient. But well, Ancestrals are more likely to be countered, so you can continue arguing from here endlessly about things like that.

I just wanted to show that Brainstorms help incredibly and that the previous calculations weren't right.

BTW, also a possible play is not Brainstorming eot, but first drawing the 8th card, and then Brainstorming. You will see 4 extra cards then, instead of 3. This can be an option when you estimate having UU open on turn 2 is not absolutely neccessary. The 33% chance of not getting a 2nd land, is then reduced to 22.6%.

Greets,

Koen
7  Archives / Archived Vintage Tournament Forum / [Tourney] 4/18 Online MWS T1, Prize: $40 Store Credit on: April 15, 2004, 12:18:48 pm
Results of the Monday and Wednesday Trials:

T1.5 Decks of Wednesday, April 14

T1 Decks of Monday, April 12

Greets,

Koen Moerman
Magic-League.com Director
8  Archives / Archived Vintage Tournament Forum / [Tourney] 4/18 Online MWS T1, Prize: $40 Store Credit on: April 10, 2004, 07:03:44 pm
You only "have to" play that long if you're doing well, and in that case, you usually enjoy yourself Smile And if you play a fast deck, you can have a lot of breaks between rounds etc.

It's also a nice occasion to test out decks in a tournament environment of which you don't have all the cards IRL (yet). Further it's free, you can drop whenever you want and it's an opportunity to win some store credit.

And yes, it can be a long sit behind your computer, but you have no travelling costs and there obviously is no entry fee. You can chat with other T1 players, so it's still fun.
9  Archives / Archived Vintage Tournament Forum / [results] Top 8 of 2004/04/04 Castricum T1, The Netherlands on: April 10, 2004, 05:51:37 pm
Here you have the top 8 decks of a type 1 tourney in Castricum (NL) that was played 2004/04/04:

1st place: IsoKeeper, by Daniel Paardekooper (Daniel_112 on TMD)

        3 Island
        4 Tundra
        3 Volcanic Island
        2 Flooded Strand
        2 Polluted Delta
        1 City of Brass
        1 Mox Sapphire
        1 Mox Ruby
        1 Mox Pearl
        1 Sol Ring
        1 Library of Alexandria
        1 Strip Mine
        4 Wasteland
        4 Mana Drain
        4 Force of Will
        3 Cunning Wish
        2 Fire / Ice
        2 Decree of Justice
        1 Balance
        1 Gorilla Shaman
        3 Isochron Scepter
        2 Exalted Angel
        1 Mystical Tutor
        1 Intuition
        1 Time Walk
        1 Ancestral Recall
        1 Future Sight
        1 Fact or Fiction
        4 Brainstorm
        4 Accumulated Knowledge
// sideboard
SB:  1 Moat
SB:  1 Enlightened Tutor
SB:  1 Exalted Angel
SB:  2 Red Elemental Blast
SB:  1 Blue Elemental Blast
SB:  2 Rack and Ruin
SB:  1 Disenchant
SB:  1 Gorilla Shaman
SB:  1 Scrying Glass
SB:  1 Swords to Plowshares
SB:  1 Fire / Ice
SB:  2 Stifle


2nd place: Noname.dec by Joram de Kraker

        1 Tropical Island
        1 Bayou
        4 Chromatic Sphere
        1 Yawgmoth's Will
        1 Spoils of the Vault
        1 Mox Sapphire
        1 Mox Jet
        1 Mox Ruby
        1 Mox Pearl
        1 Mox Emerald
        1 Black Lotus
        1 Mana Vault
        1 Mana Crypt
        1 Grim Monolith
        2 Brainstorm
        4 Tinder Wall
        4 Elvish Spirit Guide
        1 Vampiric Tutor
        4 Goblin Charbelcher
        1 Tinker
        1 Ancestral Recall
        1 Lotus Petal
        1 Lion's Eye Diamond
        1 Memory Jar
        2 Living Wish
        4 Land Grant
        1 Necropotence
        4 Dark Ritual
        1 Wheel of Fortune
        1 Demonic Tutor
        1 Timetwister
        1 Tendrils of Agony
        1 Chrome Mox
        1 Demonic Consultation
        1 Sol Ring
        1 Windfall
        1 Channel
        3 Serum Powder
// sideboard
SB:  1 Deconstruct
SB:  2 Xantid Swarm
SB:  4 Duress
SB:  3 Goblin Welder
SB:  1 Oxidize
SB:  1 Naturalize
SB:  1 Bone Shredder
SB:  1 Viridian Shaman
SB:  1 Scavenger Folk


3rd place Supergro by Nicander van Dijk

        4 Tropical Island
        4 Tundra
        1 Savannah
        1 Windswept Heath
        4 Flooded Strand
        1 Lotus Petal
        4 Land Grant
        4 Quirion Dryad
        4 Werebear
        2 Serendib Efreet
        2 Mystic Enforcer
        4 Swords to Plowshares
        4 Brainstorm
        3 Sleight of Hand
        1 Peek
        4 Opt
        1 Gush
        1 Balance
        1 Legacy's Allure
        2 Misdirection
        4 Daze
        4 Force of Will
// sideboard
SB:  2 Naturalize
SB:  2 Disenchant
SB:  4 Meddling Mage
SB:  4 Chill
SB:  2 Legacy's Allure
SB:  1 Blue Elemental Blast


4th place: What still, by Joost van den Broek (Josti on TMD)

        3 Island
        1 Library of Alexandria
        1 Mox Sapphire
        1 Lotus Petal
        1 Sol Ring
        4 Mishra's Factory
        4 Faerie Conclave
        1 Strip Mine
        4 Wasteland
        4 Tundra
        4 Flooded Strand
        4 Swords to Plowshares
        1 Decree of Justice
        1 Balance
        1 Time Walk
        1 Ancestral Recall
        1 Mystical Tutor
        2 Misdirection
        2 Chain of Vapor
        1 Counterspell
        3 Mana Drain
        3 Stifle
        4 Force of Will
        4 Standstill
        4 Nevinyrral's Disk
// sideboard
SB:  1 Chain of Vapor
SB:  3 Maze of Ith
SB:  3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB:  4 Null Rod
SB:  4 Orim's Chant


5th place: Psychatog, by Koen Moerman

        2 Wasteland
        1 Strip Mine
        1 Island
        3 Volcanic Island
        3 Tropical Island
        4 Polluted Delta
        4 Underground Sea
        1 Sol Ring
        1 Mox Jet
        1 Mox Pearl
        1 Mox Emerald
        1 Mox Ruby
        1 Mox Sapphire
        1 Black Lotus
        4 Force of Will
        4 Mana Drain
        3 Cunning Wish
        2 Deep Analysis
        2 Intuition
        4 Accumulated Knowledge
        4 Brainstorm
        1 Ancestral Recall
        1 Time Walk
        1 Mind Twist
        1 Demonic Tutor
        1 Yawgmoth's Will
        1 Stifle
        1 Fire / Ice
        2 Pernicious Deed
        3 Psychatog
// sideboard
SB:  1 Stifle
SB:  1 Vampiric Tutor
SB:  1 Smother
SB:  2 Artifact Mutation
SB:  1 Naturalize
SB:  1 Oxidize
SB:  1 Berserk
SB:  3 Red Elemental Blast
SB:  1 Blue Elemental Blast
SB:  1 Coffin Purge
SB:  2 Fire / Ice


6th place: Reanimator by Samuel Broers

        11 Swamp
        4 Scrubland
        1 Bloodstained Mire
        1 Polluted Delta
        1 Windswept Heath
        1 Flooded Strand
        1 Library of Alexandria
        1 Strip Mine
        4 Reanimate
        4 Exhume
        4 Duress
        4 Dark Ritual
        4 Zombie Infestation
        1 Zuran Orb
        1 Memory Jar
        1 Demonic Tutor
        1 Vampiric Tutor
        1 Sundering Titan
        1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
        1 Platinum Angel
        1 Living Hive
        1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
        1 Arcanis the Omnipotent
        1 Phantom Nishoba
        1 Visara the Dreadful
        1 Symbiotic Wurm
        1 Multani, Maro-Sorcerer
        1 Necropotence
        3 Buried Alive
        1 Entomb
// sideboard
SB:  1 Maze of Ith
SB:  1 Crosis, the Purger
SB:  1 Krovikan Horror
SB:  1 Academy Rector
SB:  1 Vindicate
SB:  1 Mind Twist
SB:  2 Worship
SB:  3 Perish
SB:  4 Disenchant


7th place Food chain goblins by Stefan Reek

        6 Mountain
        1 Lotus Petal
        1 Forest
        1 Karplusan Forest
        2 Wooded Foothills
        1 Naturalize
        1 Berserk
        4 City of Brass
        2 Taiga
        4 Ancient Tomb
        4 Seething Song
        1 Goblin Sharpshooter
        4 Skirk Prospector
        2 Siege-Gang Commander
        4 Goblin Ringleader
        4 Mogg Fanatic
        4 Goblin Recruiter
        3 Goblin Matron
        4 Goblin Warchief
        3 Goblin Piledriver
        4 Food Chain
// sideboard
SB:  3 Tormod's Crypt
SB:  1 Shattering Pulse
SB:  2 Rack and Ruin
SB:  2 Naturalize
SB:  3 Red Elemental Blast
SB:  4 Pyroblast


8th place: Food chain goblins by Max van Dijk

        1 Ancient Tomb
        6 Mountain
        4 Taiga
        4 Wooded Foothills
        2 Bloodstained Mire
        3 Wasteland
        1 Strip Mine
        1 Sol Ring
        1 Mana Crypt
        1 Lotus Petal
        1 Mox Ruby
        4 Food Chain
        1 Wheel of Fortune
        4 Goblin Lackey
        4 Goblin Recruiter
        2 Siege-Gang Commander
        4 Goblin Piledriver
        4 Goblin Ringleader
        1 Goblin Sharpshooter
        4 Skirk Prospector
        2 Goblin Matron
        3 Goblin Warchief
        2 Gempalm Incinerator
// sideboard
SB:  3 Blood Moon
SB:  4 Red Elemental Blast
SB:  1 Pyroblast
SB:  2 Rack and Ruin
SB:  2 Meltdown
SB:  3 Naturalize

46 players participated. Thanks to Nico de Boer for converting these decklists to this electronic form, for everyone to see.

Greetings,

Koen Moerman
www.Magic-League.com Director.
10  Archives / Archived Vintage Tournament Forum / [Tourney] 4/18 Online MWS T1, Prize: $40 Store Credit on: April 10, 2004, 05:24:57 pm
Hi people,

We at www.Magic-League.com will hold a T1 Swiss Tournament with $40 store credit for the winner. The store credit can be spent at our sponsor's online store: www.ImpulseMagic.com

The tournament will be played with Magic Workstation ( www.MagicWorkstation.com ) We also have a MWS Guide on our site, in case you have trouble getting used to it.

The T1 Swiss tournament will be on Sunday, April 18, at Noon Eastern Time. (= 11 AM Central Time = 10 AM Mountain Time = 9 AM Pacific Time = 18:00 Central European Time).

It will be on the server: irc.Xnet.org and in the #workstation channel. You can go there with mIRC ( www.mIRC.com ) or our chatroom on the site. We have a guide on our site for mIRC.

You can still earn Byes for this tournament (like for a GP) in the following Trials:
Monday, April 12, at 7 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.
Wednesday, April 14, at 1 PM Eastern Time, T1.5 Trial Tournament.
Thursday, April 15, at 7 PM Eastern Time, Extended Trial Tournament.
Friday, April 16, at 1 PM Eastern Time, T1 Trial Tournament.

The winner of a Trial gets 2 Byes; the runner-up: 1 Bye. You can have a maximum of 2 Byes and 2 Byes would mean that you can start playing in round 3 with 6 points in the pocket. Of course people without Byes can also join.

We are expecting about 40 - 100 participants, so you can expect 5, 6 or 7 Swiss rounds, and then a cut to a top 8 single elimination play-off. We'll hopefully see you there!

Greetings,

Koen
www.Magic-League.com Director.
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