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1  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: Post MorningTide Extended Landstill on: January 17, 2008, 01:40:18 pm
seems like -1 force spike, +1 spell snare might be good.

Unfortunately, I want 1 Spell Snare in the board to Wish for.

If people are thinking moving the 4th Snare to the main over a Force Spike is the right call, what do I put in the board?  Pact?  I think it's very likely I'm going to be Wishing for an answer turn 4/5 and wanting the be able to play the spell I wish for the same turn (Wishing for Cryptic Command and holding it over your opponent's head seems like a poor play).

Thanks.
2  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: Post MorningTide Extended Landstill on: January 15, 2008, 10:19:27 am
Decree of Pain looks pretty terrible in here

Yeah, the real reason I wanted it, was for Tron decks cycling larger Decrees under my Standstill.  Guess it might be better to drop the Conclave for another Ghost Quarter if that's what I'm worried about.


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How about playing a couple Vedlaken Shackles to help control midgame creatures? Shackles is really, really good.

Yep, missed Shackles, seems like an easy swap, 2 Decree of Pain for 2 Shackles.

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Condemn and Ghastly Demise are about the closest thing they've printed to STP. Condemn not hitting Birds (and some Confidants) might make it unusable.
 

From what I've heard, Gaea's Might Get There is seeing a lot less play, and that's the only deck where I fear an Innocent Blood just won't get the job done.  Demise not hitting Confidant (and potentially not hitting Goyf/Doran early) seems like the incorrect call. 

Perhaps Condemn is the way to go.  As an estimate in terms of percentages, how often do you think will Condemn be better than Innocent Blood (obv, this makes it Wrath and more White lands)?


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Hurkyl's Recall needs to join your list of wish targets.

Missed Hurk's, forgot it was recently reprinted.

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Is there a reason you're not playing Cryptic Command?

I'm 3 colors with atleast 5 lands that tap for colorless, and probably 7 that tap for colorless (or CIPT), and I don't think Command comes online soon enough.  Remand seems to be much more relevant.  I considered Command as a Wish target, but figured the 4th Spell Snare and Pact would be Wished for more often (paying 4 to counter a spell seems more worthwhile than 7 for Counter + some other effects, paying 8 over 2 turns seems better as well, although Pact may become the blue Shoal or Commandeer, Commandeering a Slaver/Gifts/FoF/hardcast enchantment from Ideal/Deed/Counterbalance/Crucible/etc seems absurd).

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Doran and Counterbalance have set the bar pretty high for deckbuilding in extended. While lots of decks are viable at the moment, there really isn't much in terms of pure control decks. Even the Jugan blue decks feel a lot like fish and not MUC.

With so many aggro control decks in Extended, I figured a MUC-like deck that can also control the board should have an edge (since straight up aggro seems to be declining).  Additionally, it's not like I'm 100% control after I Wrath/Damn, 2 damage a turn isn't a whole lot, but it's a steady change as opposed to the MUC decks long ago that just dropped Morphling on turn 9, or had Magpies as the only kill conditions.  I think between Shackles, Vaults, and Decrees, I should have enough pressure to make the time spent setting up worthwhile. 

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EDIT: Teferi's Response might be a hot card to protect your mutavaults from removal.

Hmm, this will depend on how many Blastminer's I see, I guess.  Blastminer being a big reason for the 6 basics.


Perhaps I should be trying to fit Countertop in here and taking OStone out.  Thoughts on that (seeing as how doing so would require some heavy cuts)?


Revision:

//lands that don't make colors - 7
4 Mutavault
1 Academy Ruins
2 Ghost Quarter

//lands that make colors - 16
1 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
1 Watery Grave
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Island
1 Swamp
1 Plains

//removal - 11
4 Condemn
3 Wrath
2 Shackles
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Engineered Explosives

//Counters - 14
4 Counterspell
4 Remand
3 Spell Snare
3 Force Spike

//Utility - 3
2 Cunning Wish
1 Crucible of Worlds

//Big Wins - 2
2 DoJ

//Draw - 7
4 Standstill
3 FoF



//SB
1 Commandeer
1 Spell Snare
1 FoF
1 Smother
3 Stifle
2 Disenchant
1 Extirpate
4 Tormod's Crypt
1 Hurkyl's Recall
3  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Post MorningTide Extended Landstill on: January 14, 2008, 03:27:35 pm
So, with Mutavault giving Extended a manland that isn't trash, I figured Landstill might actually be extremely good in Extended (especially with Aether Vial and Goblin Lackey not in that format).

Here's a list I'm considering:

//lands that don't make colors or cipt - 7
4 Mutavault
1 Faerie Conclave (I might drop this for another Ghost Quarter)
1 Academy Ruins
1 Ghost Quarter (I might go for 2 is there's more Tron decks, etc)

//lands that make colors and don't suck - 16
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Watery Grave
2 Hallowed Fountain
4 Island
1 Swamp
1 Plains

//removal - 11
4 Innocent Blood (this is obviously the slot I'm having the most trouble with, there really is no replacement for StP)
3 Damnation
2 Decree of Pain (I'm not sure I want this, cycling under Standstill, especially against DoJ is hot, but there's a ton of 3+ toughness guys in this format).
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Engineered Explosives

//Counters - 14
4 Counterspell
4 Remand
3 Spell Snare
3 Force Spike

//Utility - 3
2 Cunning Wish
1 Crucible of Worlds

//Big Wins - 2
2 DoJ

//Draw - 7
4 Standstill
3 FoF



//SB
1 Pact of Negation
1 Spell Snare
1 FoF
1 Smother
1 Condemn
3 Stifle
2 Disenchant
1 Extirpate
4 Tormod's Crypt

Idea's?  I figure with the 14 Counterspells you should have a fighting chance against any deck that doesn't have the nut draw every hand (except Ichorid, hence 4 Tormod's in the Board).

Other possibilities:

Condemns over Innocent Bloods?  If this is the case, I'd probably want to run Wrath instead of Damnation and cut Decree of Pain for more DoJ/OStone/EE.

More Crucibles?  No Wasteland in this format though makes me skeptical of how good it is.  I do want at least 1, but more than that seems subpar without Wasteland recursion. 

Tsabo's Decree as Goblin hate?  Seems subpar as Goblins isn't as big a part of the metagame.

Stifle's main over Force Spike?  I think Force Spike is probably more revelant in this format.

Temple of the False God?  I could see this as being more worth while if I were running cards like Angel and Dragon, but I'm not.  I know some pros like it though.

Am I blatantly missing any cards?
4  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Hardware guys, I need your help! on: June 19, 2007, 09:34:45 pm
Well I fixed it now by unplugging the video card and taking the dust out and reconnected it. Probably a loose connection. However the monitor couldn't be the problem, the picture appeared like that in a print screen, if it was the monitor the print screen would be clean. But I have a new problem! When I scroll up and down on websites my compute does the wave, as in half the screen scrolls while the other lags behind. Any ideas?

Now try reinstalling the drivers.  Its possible when you pulled it out that the system decided that since it was unplugged to rollback the drivers (Plug N Play).
5  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Gifts ungiven modification poll on: June 19, 2007, 09:30:47 pm
These polls are so stupid. Every contest, one guy just says the best one in the SUBMISSON thread and then every other person replies with a quote of the first person who pointed out the best one. Getting kind of old...

Oh boohoo, someone brings the funnay each and every time...
6  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Gifts ungiven modification poll on: June 18, 2007, 02:48:46 pm
My entry isn't on the ballot.

To be honest, I don't think it matters.
7  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Gifts ungiven Modification contest on: June 15, 2007, 10:21:04 pm
Glix wins this contest.
8  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: June 15, 2007, 01:57:16 pm
Project 86 - "Something We Can't Be"
9  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: June 15, 2007, 12:18:50 am
Kosheen - "Hide You"
10  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Gifts ungiven Modification contest on: June 13, 2007, 05:17:47 pm
11  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Help in Wisconsin on: June 13, 2007, 05:08:14 pm
If I'm not mistaken some of the team ICBM or GWS guys plays in Southern Wisconscin?  Try find them on these boards if they don't see this thread.
12  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: June 13, 2007, 04:59:20 pm
CombiChrist - "Today I Woke to the Rain of Blood"
13  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: June 12, 2007, 11:04:00 pm
Sequencial - "Death House"
14  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: June 05, 2007, 10:43:21 pm
Pennywise's cover of "Down Under"
15  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Contest] Grand Prix: Columbus Predictions on: May 22, 2007, 12:02:32 pm
Appendix: Blank Entry Sheet
(feel free to cut-and-paste this)

1. What do you predict the turnout to be?   700    0 points

2. How many Force of Wills do you expect to see in the Top 8?  20  2

3. How many Wastelands in the Top 8?  4  1

4. In the top 8, what will be the most popular:

a. Blue card: Brainstorm/FoW split 20 each  2 points, maybe a bonus for calling exactly 20?

b. White card: Swords to Plowshares 2

c. Green card: Nimble Mongoose 0

d. Red card: Pyroblast ??? Let the mods iron things out on this

e. Black card: Leyline of the Void (including SBs)  0

f. Gold card: Meddling Mage 0

g. artifact: Lotus Petal 0

h. non-land card (most popular of 4a-g): Brainstorm/FoW split 20 each Missed Duress, let mods figure out points on that


5. What's going to be the highest placing combination deck? Flash 2

6. What's the most common basic land type in the Top 8? Island 0

7. What's the most common dual land in the Top 8? Tropical Island 0

8. Goblins in the T8? (yes or no) Yes, with MD Leyline 1, whiffed on MD Leyline though

9. Hulk Flash in the T8? (yes or no) Yes 1

10. Threshold in the T8? (yes or no) Yes 1

11. Fish in the T8? (yes or no) Yes 1

12. Survival.dec in the T8? (yes or no) No 1

13. High Tide in the T8? (yes or no) No 1

14. Landstill in the T8? (yes or no) No 1

15. BW Deadguy Ale (Disruption) in the T8? (yes or no) No Let mods decide what qualifies as BW Deadguy, I think being BW with Confidant+Duress+Hymn+Ritual is close enough, nothing else is entirely essential

16. Gamekeepers/Salvagers in the T8? (yes or no) No 1

BONUS
17. Threshold (with MD Stifle) will take first place 0

18. Who will win: Pro or Not? Pro 1

19. The winner will be: Osyp 0

I'll let the mods decide the nitty-gritty stuff, like scoring my Pyroblast call, what BW Deadguy counts as, etc.  So far I have atleast 18 points
16  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Juggernaut modification contest on: May 22, 2007, 01:26:21 am
For whatever reason none of the pics are loading in this thread for me at the moment,

Ayways, here's some actual cards I've modded:





17  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: Awesomest Plays of the GP on: May 22, 2007, 01:15:34 am
On Sunday I was watching someone I know from my local store's match.  He was playing Goblins with MD Leylines.  His opponent's playing Threshold (neither is really in it for T8 or T16 contention, just playing it out for possible money finishes).  Goblins starts with Leyline in play.  Several turns later the Threshold player has Worship + Goose.  There's only one problem.  The Threshold player has no answer to Leyline so his Enforcer can't swing over for the win, and the Goblins player didn't see Worship coming, so he left his Krosan Grips in the board.  They call the judges over and explain that neither one can win the game outside of decking occuring and they each have 40+ cards left or so.  They ask if they can ID this game and move on to a game 4 to determine the winner of the match.  Upon the judges letting them know that the player who got to choose that game would choose again, the Goblins player says "Yeah, how about we just play on" since he'd have been on the draw.  They draw going to time.

That was pretty funny.
18  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] GRAND PRIX: COLUMBUS MAY 19-20 2007 on: May 16, 2007, 02:23:22 pm
One question for those of us that haven't played in GPs before: Does your record reset going into day two or do you keep it? More importantly, what I'm trying to figure out is would it be a good idea to try to draw into day two or not if the situation arises, or should I play it out?

You start Day 2 with the same record you had at the end of day 1.  If you're 6-0 at the end of 6 rounds, you DO NOT want to draw into day 2.  You want to play it out for position (not to mention your opponents probably won't let you draw with them).  Being 8-0, 7-0-1, or 7-1 drastically improves your chances of getting into T16/T8 on day 2 over being 6-0-2 or 6-1-1.  At Philly with over 400 players, only one player 6-2 made it into day 2.  At Lille, they had 900+ players (something ridiculous, >800 -> they had 9 rounds of swiss and 128 into day 2 instead of 64).  So even though at 6-0 and you play it out you could end up putting yourself out of day 2 contention, but you'd kick yourself even harder if you make day 2 at 6-0-2/6-1-1 only to miss an invite or T8 appearence due to your 2 draws.
19  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: May 16, 2007, 02:03:29 pm
INJA - "Let them Sleep"
20  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: May 16, 2007, 01:24:30 am
At the Drive In - "Cosmonaut"
21  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Contest] Grand Prix: Columbus Predictions on: May 09, 2007, 06:58:03 pm
Appendix: Blank Entry Sheet
(feel free to cut-and-paste this)

1. What do you predict the turnout to be?   700

2. How many Force of Wills do you expect to see in the Top 8?  20

3. How many Wastelands in the Top 8?  4

4. In the top 8, what will be the most popular:  Blue Aggro-Control (Threshold, Fish maybe)

a. Blue card: Brainstorm/FoW split 20 each
b. White card: Swords to Plowshares
c. Green card: Nimble Mongoose
d. Red card: Pyroblast
e. Black card: Leyline of the Void (including SBs)
f. Gold card: Meddling Mage
g. artifact: Lotus Petal
h. non-land card (most popular of 4a-g): Brainstorm/FoW split 20 each

5. What's going to be the highest placing combination deck? Flash

6. What's the most common basic land type in the Top 8? Island

7. What's the most common dual land in the Top 8? Tropical Island

8. Goblins in the T8? (yes or no) Yes, with MD Leyline

9. Hulk Flash in the T8? (yes or no) Yes

10. Threshold in the T8? (yes or no) Yes

11. Fish in the T8? (yes or no) Yes

12. Survival.dec in the T8? (yes or no) No

13. High Tide in the T8? (yes or no) No

14. Landstill in the T8? (yes or no) No

15. BW Deadguy Ale (Disruption) in the T8? (yes or no) No

16. Gamekeepers/Salvagers in the T8? (yes or no) No

BONUS
17. Threshold (with MD Stifle) will take first place

18. Who will win: Pro or Not? Pro

19. The winner will be: Osyp




EDIT:


Additional predictions:

Top 8:

1 Hulk Flash
3 Threshold (1 UGw, 2 UGwr)
1 Rb Goblins with Leyline main and Therapies + Dralnu's Crusade in the board.
1 UWb Fish
1 completely unexpected deck piloted by an amatuer
1 other combo deck (CRET Belcher or IGGy?)

Hulk Flash wins vs unexpected deck 2-1
UGwr Thresh wins vs other combo
UGwr Thresh wins vs UWb Fish
Goblins wins vs UGw Thresh

Flash wins vs Goblins
UGwr Thresh wins vs UGwr Thresh

UGwr Thresh wins vs Flash
22  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: GPT Blue Bell - Top 8 on: April 30, 2007, 11:15:05 pm
A lot of Belcher decks are making T8. Why?

Because the deck is retardedly degenerate.
23  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [Annoucement] Grand Prix Trials For Columbus Updated on WOTC site on: April 24, 2007, 12:14:28 am
However, I guess it is my fault for not having 2000+ rating.

Considering a grand total of 11 players on the earth with a 2000+ Eternal rating and none of them are from Cali, I doubt it.  It's hard to win points when you're leading the pack.
24  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [TSP Block Constructed for the next PTQ Season] BG Control on: April 20, 2007, 04:21:12 pm
Ok, Disintergrate + Storage lands have been pretty good so far.

Wall of Roots is really good, but there's always the problem of blowing them away with Damnation against aggressive decks.

Phyrexian Totem is essentially better than most of the creatures in the format, if you know burn or an Urborg powered Tendrils is coming, you simply don't activate it, otherwise it gets around Damnation and Sudden Death pretty well, going late enough into the game for the last points of damage against burn it's still good if they can't kill it outright.  If they do have ways to deal with it as a creature, it lets you do dumb things in your turn with Acid-Moss, Harmonize and Damnation later on (casting 2 in a turn on turn 5 or 6 is pretty good, or even going Acid-Moss, Wall, suspend Search).
25  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: April 20, 2007, 10:18:26 am
Anberlin - "Paperthin Hymn"
26  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: WotC Card Frame Poll on: April 20, 2007, 10:04:34 am
I like the art for River of Tears, a lot. 

Screw frames, just give me more picturesque landscapes for land art.
27  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: April 18, 2007, 04:34:01 pm
Front 242 - "Neurobashing"
28  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Ancestral Recall Modification poll on: April 17, 2007, 02:49:45 pm
1 week left for voting. After that then the winner will decide what card will be for the next modification contest.

Some ideas:
Yawgmoth's will
birds of paradise
force of will
Moxen
wheel of fortune
dark ritual
Damnation

Also if any1 has any other thoughts on the poll for the best of the best then please reply.

I think a week is too long.  I don't think you'll get 8 more votes in a week even, and that's the lead that Ancestral Reculkin has...

Perhaps from now on you can limit voting to 1 week.  I mean most people check message boards once a day or every other day.
29  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: April 15, 2007, 03:10:18 am
KMFDM - "Waste"
30  Vintage Community Discussion / Non-Vintage / Re: [TSP Block Constructed for the next PTQ Season] BG Control on: April 13, 2007, 03:38:49 pm
4 Harmonize
4 Mvonli Acid-Moss
4 Harmonize
4 Tendrils of Corruption

8 harmonize = TOO many insane plays?

As Implacable pointed out, I made a typo, one of those is supposed to be Damnation.
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