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1  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: BatterUp Comics Top Four Split on: September 20, 2009, 06:37:49 pm
wow that's the hottest deck of all time
2  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: [New Card Discussion] Sadistic Sacrament on: September 18, 2009, 12:11:59 pm
This actually looks like a decent way for TPS to fight faster combo like Grim Long (if that even exists anymore), and perhaps things like Steel City Vault. I could definitely see boarding 2-3 of these in TPS if I anticipated a combo heavy metagame. Not sure if it'd be worth it against traditional Tezz, yeah it strips all their wins but I think as a TPS player you should be more focused on just comboing out before they do, as you should be about .5 turns faster than them anyway.
3  Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Thirst replacements for tez: Brief test notes on: July 19, 2009, 02:55:47 am
I've been entertaining the idea of having 4 Cunning Wish with Ancestral in the sideboard. Like TFK, Wish is a 2U instant. I see it as a TFK/Merchant Scroll hybrid. Not sure if that would be worth the loss of MD Ancestral to DT/MT/randomly draw, but it's an idea.
4  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Xtreme Games for a Time Walk - Results AND DECKLISTS on: April 22, 2009, 11:34:45 am
Whoa, Doomsday... what are the piles and minimum mana requirements for a winning Dday in that deck?
5  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: TnT 2K9 : another approach on: April 13, 2009, 06:12:52 pm
He uses Chalice because like Null Rod it helps keep his deck on-par with other more intrinsically powerful decks, while being an artifact to Weld (assuredly this is the reason for its inclusion over Shaman, et al)

That being said I have to say I agree that the deck should probably be running Tarmogoyf, mainly so that it is not so vulnerable to graveyard hate. Magus of the Moon also seems like it would be very good in combination with the other mana disruption.

Basically I think the best way to build this would be as a combination of TnT and Steve's RG beats deck. I dont have time to work out a full list, but you would want

4 Bazaar
4 Tarmogoyf
0-4 Magus of the moon
4 Welder
4 SotF
2-4 Squee
8 Spirit Guides
2-4 Large artifact dudes
8 Rod/Chalice

6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: TnT 2K9 : another approach on: April 13, 2009, 04:16:15 pm
I think it might be worth it to splash blue for Ancestral, Time Walk, and Tinker, especially since Tinker would give you a viable route around stuff like leyline of the Void.
7  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Tez tears it up: A TMD Open Report on: March 26, 2009, 11:03:11 pm
Sweet, dude. Glad you finally took one down.

I hope we're planning on lots of magics over the summer?
8  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: [Results & Lists] Grand Prix Chicago Side-Event, March 8th on: March 10, 2009, 05:44:45 pm
Well that proves it, Mana Drain is the most dominant card of the metagame.
9  Eternal Formats / Blue-Based Control / Re: Optimizing Tezzeret on: March 07, 2009, 03:16:46 am

Let me go through the math.  Imagine your opponent has a Tormod's Crypt, they play it.  You have intuition, go for 3 AKs, and cast one, so they pop in response.  They're now -1 cards, and you're dead even, -0.  That's net 1 card advantage for you.  Better yet, their crypt isn't around to mess up your Yawgmoth's Will anymore.  Granted you might have rather had TFK in that spot, but it's not like your entire deck is neutered by the GY hate (as Ichorid is), you can still cantrip the AKs.

I don't think the breaking-even on CA here is the issue here moreso than the huge loss of tempo (five mana to zero). While you're spending two turns drawing 1 card, they're doing whatever they want (casting other draw spells) while only investing 0 mana and 1 card to basically annul your relative progress.
10  Eternal Formats / Ritual-Based Combo / Re: TPS players on: March 04, 2009, 04:50:56 pm
I'm a pretty big fan of Sensei's Divining Top in TPS, usually 1-2 copies. It used to almost make the cut for me back when 4 BS was legal, but the fact that Brainstorm and Top itself interacted rather redundantly together stopped me from running it. Now that BS is gone, I find running a Top or 2 is very good. It has many benefits in the deck: It makes you draw 7's more like draw 10's, it protects from Duress, it stabilizes shaky-mana hands, and it makes your topdeck tutors a lot better. Finally, and more subtly, it makes FoW and misdirection much better cards, because with a Top out, you have the top 3 of your deck at your disposal to either find a blue card when you have FoW in hand, or find Fow/MisD when you have a blue card in hand. When you are Duressed and your opponent sees no FoW, or takes your only blue card, you can often blow them out by suddenly popping up with the necessary card via Top. Top also increases the utility of your off-color and colorless artifact acceleration, giving you something useful to do with your excess non-colored mana.

I view the following cards essentially as replacements for the missing 3 Brainstorms:

1 Ponder
1 Imperial Seal
1 Sensei's Top

The configuration of these 3 plus the 1 Brainstorm is actually not that noticeably weaker than 4 BS.
11  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Progenitus Oath on: February 26, 2009, 12:36:13 am
Not sure what you're trying to say there, Soly.
12  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Fish meet Faeries on: February 24, 2009, 07:04:23 pm
Why not use Dreadnought? A rough list would look like:

4 Dark Confidant
3 Dreadnought
1 V. Clique

4 Stifle
4 FoW
4 Duress/Thoughtseize
3 Daze
4 Null Rod

1 D Tutor
1 V Tutor
1 M Tutor
1 D. Consult
1 M. Scroll
1 Ancestral
1 Brainstorm
1 E. Truth
1 Trickbind
1 Ponder

2 Mox
1 Lotus
1 Petal
5 Strip
2 Factory
4 Delta
4 Sea
1 Island
1 Swamp

This list has a very low curve, a lot of disruption, huge guys, and an impressive tutor suite including Demonic Consult. You could easily tweak alot of the slots/numbers here, ie. Negate/Spell Snare > Daze, running more Duress effects, etc.

13  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Angry Ghoul - a vintage version on: February 21, 2009, 08:50:32 pm
Oh, my bad then, I didn't see your subsequent post.
14  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: Angry Ghoul - a vintage version on: February 19, 2009, 10:57:32 pm
What about this?

creature [14]
1 Darksteel Colossus
4 Hermit Druid
4 Narcomoeba
1 Sutured Ghoul
4 Tarmogoyf

instant [14]
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
3 Daze
1 Echoing Truth
4 Force of Will
1 Lim-Dul's Vault
2 Misdirection
1 Vampiric Tutor

sorcery [8]
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Careful Study
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Dread Return
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker

enchantment [1]
1 Dragon Breath

artifact [7]
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire

land [16]
3 Flooded Strand
4 Forbidden Orchard
3 Polluted Delta
3 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea

2 Empyrial Archangel
2 Extirpate
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Gaea's Blessing
4 Thoughtseize
4 Oath of Druids
1 Tropical Island

This version runs a lot less crappy cards like Wild Cantor or Wild Mongrel. I could see this version being decent however especially thanks to the sideboard which allows you to dodge creature hate.

Did you get this from the 2nd place finish in Madrid or did they take your build to 2nd?
15  Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: New Worldgorger Dragon Combo -- Still Viable? on: February 19, 2009, 08:44:52 pm
dicemanx: In the non-green Cunning Wish board you were talking about, where you drop the MD FoW's, how many FOWs and TFK's would you run in the board? Would the TFK's be cards you would board in or just Wish targets?

Also, how do you sideboard with that green sideboard posted above? (Against Drains, Ritual Combo, Fish, and Shops)?
16  Eternal Formats / Bazaar-Based Decks / Re: New Worldgorger Dragon Combo -- Still Viable? on: February 18, 2009, 10:12:12 am
dicemanx, if you were to add 2 or 3 Repeals to a Dragon list, what would it look like?
17  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: /{W}rists (Black White Suicide) on: February 17, 2009, 10:01:28 pm
Ethersworn Canonist seems good here, I like it alot more than Fulms. Chains of Mephistopheles?
18  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] So Many Insane Plays - Restrict Mana Drain? the Jan/Feb Re on: February 17, 2009, 09:51:25 pm
Ritual decks are in no way more difficult to play than Drain decks. It may take a certain amount of goldfishing and understanding of the deck's engines to figure out the mechanics of going off, but that in no way compares to the challenges of interactivity with opponents that Drain decks inherently come with. Mana Drain lends itself to the most skill-intensive and interactive types of gameplay. It is a skill-testing card whose power is a function of its controller's ability to leverage it vs. the opponent's knowledge of how to minimize its impact. For these reasons alone I think it should not be a candidate for restriction.

Also, I must say I really don't understand the mentality of the highest-played cards in a given metagame being automatic targets for restriction. There is always going to be a most-played card, a most-popular strategy. If you always want to restrict the most played card, you're going to want to restrict the next ones and the next ones and ad infinitum. I 100% agree with many peoples' calls to unrestrict as many cards as possible, increasing the number of broken strategies so that they play to one anothers' weaknesses and balance each other out. In a metagame where Trinisphere, Gush, and Mana Drain are all unrestricted, for example, the Gush decks beat the Drain decks while the 3 sphere decks hold the Gush decks in place, opening room for Ritual decks and Null Rod decks etc etc.

If we keep restricting cards left and right every time a new best deck emerges, which is always going to happen no matter what, very soon we're going to be playing Highlander. We pretty much are as it is given last Summer's massive and uncalled-for restrictions. Brainstorm and Scroll should definitely have been axed but restricting a cantrip, a card that is dependent on BS/Scroll to work, and a fragile combo card which is also very dependent on BS/Scroll was a heavy-handed act of knee-jerk blanket-policy that has set precedent towards turning this format into Highlander or Legacy + P9. That is not the way to go to make Vintage a serious and respectable format.
19  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: TfK Long (with words) on: February 16, 2009, 11:58:50 pm


TfK is now even better than it ever was because Brainstorm is restricted.  You don't really present a good argument for why it should be restricted though.  Yah true, its blue hand-fixing + card advantage.  We'd probably play Compulsive Research if it was gone. 

This is from desolutionist's post in the thread about unrestrictions, talking about Thirst for Knowledge's quality as a draw engine and you mentioned Compulsive Research being next-best-in-line to TFK. I'm wondering if Comp Research might actually be better in this TPS build than Thirst itself?
The thing about Thirst I noticed in this "TFK Long" list was that TFK is a really nice effect to be able to have in the deck because it is the cheapest and most potent draw engine available now that BS is gone, but the problem in a TPS deck like this is that you really want to be able to keep your artifact acceleration and would usually rather be pitching a land than a Mox to your draw spell. Plus, you usually need to play a mox to be able to run TFK out there early enough to matter (turn 2) so that is conflicting tension with the fact that you need to hold Artifacts to pitch. Given that there are few instants in TPS anyway, (you are rarely casting spells other than FoW during your opp's turn) I suspect Comp Research might actually be better than TFK in a deck like this. You'd much, much rather pitch lands after you already have 3 mana on board.

EDIT: I suppose TFK's usefulness in counterwars is an issue, but I can't really say how big of a deal that is as I haven't had much chance to test lately.
20  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: {RESULTS} Blue Bell - 2/7/09 on: February 12, 2009, 09:39:09 pm
Mike will eventually get around to posting the decklists, but until there here is my list

Allen Fulmer - Control Slaver

3x Polluted Delta
2x Flooded Strand
3x Island
3x Volcanic Island
2x Underground Sea
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Library of Alexandria
1x Black Lotus
5x Moxen
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
4x Force of Will
4x Mana Drain
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Brainstorm
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Time Walk
1x Tinker
1x Fire/Ice
1x Red Elemental Blast
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Sundering Titan
1x Mindslaver
1x Triskelavus
1x Voltaic Key
1x Time Vault
1x Yawgmoths Will
1x Rack and Ruin
3x Goblin Welder
4x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Echoing Truth

2x thoughtseize
1x red elemental blast
1x pyroblast
3x flametongue kavu
2x pyroclasm
1x razormane masticore
4x tormods crypt
1x rack and ruin

The deck was incredibly solid all day. Except for the fish matchup.  So i made the following changes:

- vamp tutor
+ Fire/Ice

- razormane masticore
+ 2x crucible of worlds

Gorilla Shaman seems incredibly stupid in this meta, have you considered him over R+R maindeck?
21  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: TfK Long (with words) on: February 04, 2009, 12:11:18 pm
I'm experimenting with a TPS build running Thirst for Knowledge and 2-4 Chrome Mox. The moxen are intended to solve the two problems I noticed while trying your build out: 1.) too often you don't hit 3 mana with enough reliability to cast TFK when it matters, and 2.) you often do not have an artifact to pitch (usually because you have to play out your moxes in order to play TFK in the first place). I think Chrome Mox does a good job of mitigating both of these issues; it gives you 1-2 more mana sources without having to dilute the deck with more lands, and it makes TFK a much better card. It's also very good with Bargain/Jar/Twister.

Here's the list I'm working with now:

1 Island
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
2 Cephalid Coliseum
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Black Lotus
5 Moxen
1 Mana Crypt
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
2 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Time Walk
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
4 Duress
1 Tinker
1 Timetwister
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Mind's Desire
1 Memory Jar
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild

22  Eternal Formats / Creative / Re: TfK Long (with words) on: January 28, 2009, 08:59:53 pm
I like the deck. I'm curious why you're not running Necropotence or Memory Jar (especially Necro). To me Necro over probably Frantic Search seems like an obvious inclusion. It seems even better here than in normal TPS because you have Thirst to both keep you going if you get Necro-locked, and to pitch Necro itself if it is too late in the game.

I really like your inclusion of Coliseum. I think you've found a really good innovation here. That card looks so hot, it makes me excited to play Magic.
23  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Mini-Primer: Mirorir Magique (New budget combo deck) on: January 27, 2009, 10:00:34 pm
Well I goldfished a few times and I ran into problems while going off where I only had colorless mana and couldn't cast Fabricates or Personal Tutors to keep going; so having more mana filters in the form of Spheres would help there. And you are running lots of 3 and 5 mana cards so I feel like having the other three moxen (at least Jet) and Sol Ring/Crypt/Vault would get you off the ground faster.
24  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Mini-Primer: Mirrorire Magique (New budget combo deck) on: January 27, 2009, 07:52:49 pm
It seems like you might be better served by running more artifact acceleration and 4 Chromatic Spheres to go with the stars, maybe replacing the Tops.
25  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: A Meditation on Mystic Remora on: January 20, 2009, 02:39:36 pm
He has Repeal for that purpose, which does it better for no loss of CA.
Thran Turbine is interesting, as it lets you cast Meditate on the cheap and pay for Remora.
Sower of Temptation seems a lot better than Old Man.

EDIT: Scratch that second part, I just RTFC. Using it only to help Remora is definitely way too narrow.
26  Eternal Formats / Global Vintage Tournament Reports and Results / Re: Mirrodin Strikes Back: Thoughtcast Painter on: January 19, 2009, 02:30:46 am
You don't want any Trinket Mages in here? Seems rather good. You could easily cut a Relic, a Top, and something else for 2 Mages and an Engineered Explosives.
27  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Be Aggressive, B E Aggressive - 0 Land Belcher in Vintage on: January 10, 2009, 06:37:36 pm
What would you cut for the 4th Chrome Mox?
28  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] Type One Tezzeret Dissected on: December 06, 2008, 08:38:44 pm
With the 4 Seas and without the Vault + Petal, thats only 59 (I Believe). Do you run Tormods main or something?
29  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Premium Article] Type One Tezzeret Dissected on: December 06, 2008, 03:44:41 pm
You're missing some cards there.... I assume some number of Underground Seas, maybe Mana Vault + Lotus Petal?
30  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Tez-Oath: The Evolution of the Obvious on: December 06, 2008, 03:37:07 pm
This might be slightly off-topic, but has anyone thought of combining Sharuum with Mindslaver in an Oath build? You could run a set of TFK's, a couple Sharuums, 2 Slavers, and the Vault combo. That way you would pretty much be guaranteed of winning with a single Oath activation as long as you have 4 colorless mana.
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