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1  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck Discussion] 4-Gush GroATog on: June 05, 2007, 01:48:22 pm
Has anyone been considering Vinelasher Kudzu over Dryad, or at least to suppliment Dryad in this deck?  I've done some preliminary testing, and both are pretty ridiculous.

you probably also happen to draw fastbond every game too huh?

so ridiculous. this isn't legacy or extended...

Points can be made without resorting to hostility and flame-baiting.  Verbal warning for violation of Rule 2, Inflammatory Posting and Rule 4, Lack of Content.  -DA
2  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck Discussion] Repeal Gifts on: January 22, 2007, 07:16:22 am
what is the goal of this deck?

How does repeal fit into this? What is a common Empty storm count? And finally, is Empty a means to an end? Or is it just a setup card to give the gifts deck some more time to Will Combo out?

3  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Kerz's Shuffling pics on: April 25, 2006, 05:03:13 pm
or just post the URL here so we can all learn to save our cards
4  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Fake Beta Power 9 auction? Yay or Nay? on: February 20, 2006, 10:04:41 am
Wow, I'm honestly suprised he shut the auction down.  Usually, scammers will go to any length complete the scam.  I wonder what he is going to do with the other people who bought his other auctions, the lotus, sapphire, walk and jet?  I know one of those guys already paypal'd him.  I think one other never sent the money.  Don't know about the other 2.

I'll send him another mail, thanking him for doing the right thing and asking if I can help in any way.  Who knows, maybe he was driven to this because he needs money badly?  I don't know.  If everybody comes out even in the end, and he learns something from it, then it was a good learning experience.

Thanks for the support guys, you rock.

um, i'm pretty sure you had little influence on HIS decision, and ebay intervened instead. If i was ripping somebody, i couldn't care less that somebody was trying to patronize me. your thank you's because he's just going to come back.

but good job keeping up with it.
5  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Some more ways of telling if expensive cards are real on: February 07, 2006, 09:48:34 am
CrashTest - Looks like even a pro can learn a new trick every now and then.

I get very critical here - because if you don't stand behind what you are saying often the community can take it apart. I know what I am saying is fact and that concept is frustrating to me.

Unfortunately, if we have just now figured out this Mox Sapphire fault, it still can't help us AT ALL with the pending problem. Assume that people who are faking cards are doing so with real cards to fake - now assume they have one of these Sapphire's, so where does that leave us? Relying on a mark that is easier faked than a normal card. I would like to know if the 'dark beta' Sapphire has this mark. if anyone has one, could you enlighten me? If you are wondering what 'dark beta' is...

one time a guy walked into the printing factory and printed himself some rare sheets. Some people say he did more than just rares, and some say more than just beta, but what matters is - these cards are very hard to spot as fakes using any of the tests. They do not pass the natural vision test though - they have distintly different inking patterns. Almost impossible to show without two copies of the cards. There is still LOTS of debate as to if these are considered 'real' or not. I thought they were real, until Wizards and I worked together at Nationals 2004 to catch some guy peddling it at the event. Wizards took the cards from the guy - he wasn't pissed because he knew that they were dark beta and didn't pay alot for them.

heh, seems like within 5 years every card is going to be questionable.

you work with wizards? are you a special advisor or something? you own a shop?

6  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: [Deck] Thirst For Knowledge in 'Tog' on: February 06, 2006, 10:36:35 am
...but that's the real argument I'd be making.  Getting Ancestral is amusingly the most mediocre application Scroll has, and even that's really brutal.  Now, I could spend all day telling you why it's not worth it in the optimal Gifts deck, but in a

well, isn't this point a fundamental difference b/w MD gifts and probasco gifts?

has it been shown that the probasco list is "optimal" vs the MD list?
7  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Voting for the Magic Invitational on: February 03, 2006, 10:23:10 am
yeah, there are more interesting/fun people for road warrior, but the fact of the matter is, only one person attended every single event.
8  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: on: February 03, 2006, 10:22:19 am
Yes it was a joke.

I was messing with a few of the regulars who should have known better and it got way out of hand.

The real situation is that I was posting early this morning, a glitch popped up that resulted in me being banned by some odd bug, and since the site was having issues, I decided to have a little fun with it since I couldn't post or do anything on the site.

I'm sure it's being worked on and will be up as soon as possible.

aren't you married and working...and have better things to do with your time? lol...
9  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Arrested Development and Firefly, coming back? on: January 30, 2006, 12:38:43 pm
I've been a huge fan of Arrested Development, and recently have had a strong tasting for Firefly.

To me, firefly is significantly different from the episodes of Buffy that I watched (I never watched angel). Maybe the themes are more adult, maybe the Pilot was just a bloody mess, but Firefly definately is in my que now. I love hearing whore on TV.

Recently I've heard some whispers that some actual intelligent folks are looking to pick up and bring back to life both AD and Firefly. That would be amazing.

Anybody else here of this fortuitous news?

10  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Djinni Oath on: January 20, 2006, 09:59:34 am
look, your list is dandy and all, but you have to cut the berserk.

you're playing an oath deck. what are you trying to do? play oath and win. what are you drawing cards for? to find oath and to play it with protection. and you want to do this in the first few turns, or else your horrible mana base is going to hurt you. also, as the game lengthens, the impact of oath decreases dramatically.

so, everytime you draw into a berserk (first 7) before you oath, is a dead card. after you oath, unless you're playing the deck completely different, you're not going to have that many cards in hand. you have ONLY 6 draw cards. every card you draw after oathing will be top decking. you're not going to randomly top deck that berserk.

just cut it.
11  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Djinni Oath on: January 16, 2006, 04:57:30 pm
If all we have so far is theory, I'm pretty sure that theoretically speaking this idea is junk in its current incarnation

it's like the french say - "it draws, it does cool things, it's elegant, it's deck, i just win"
12  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Booster Draft Every Expansion? on: January 16, 2006, 12:48:15 pm
This is an interesting idea. On the one hand, you have the most divergent card pool that there could be, and a vast majority of these sets were only slightly designed to be playable in Limited formats. On the other, you are talking about Rochester Draft, which is nearly universally considered the most skill-intensive format of MtG. Kind of interesting. You might have better luck on replies if you named a date, though, since people don't want to falsely sign up for an event they may not be able to make it to.

I would be interested in hearing about how it goes, though. I don't really get to travel too much, so I probably couldn't play, but I would like to read about it.


i think you got this wrong. rochester is the least skill-intensive draft format specifically because seat and position determine almost every single pick. with full knowledge, everybody knows what they are being passed, and with full knowledge, any off picks are easily retaliated. as such, most people (pros) comply to the norms and aside from the first few picks, most everybody is essentially passed their decks.

13  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Djinni Oath on: January 16, 2006, 12:42:09 pm
Dark Ritual to Dark Ritual becomes crazy.

...does not produce infinite mana (unless ofcourse you had infinite mana to begin with).
Okay, seriously, going dark rit to dark rit to FOUR DEMONIC TUTORS with a black floating is just absurd.
Oh, by the way, then you go get cabal ritual, dark ritual, dark ritual, and yawg's win, and win the game right there, as you can put about ten different cards in your hand with the second super replicated DT, like tendrils.  You don't even have to wait for berserk.

this deck sucks. i don't think you even tested it. there are a lot of problems and namely mana is one of them.

legacy, as is vintage, is regulated by wastelands. wastelands might not be at the height of their play numbers, but they still dominate and shift the entire meta-game. oath already has an extremely tenuous mana base. they don't play more than 2-3 basics, and that means that there is no way you're going to be able to FOUR DEMONIC TUTORS. also, as seen in previous incarnations of oath, as well as gifts, you don't need to draw; you don't need CA. all you need to do is put your threat on the board and make the opponent answer it. with oath, that means impulse into a FOW for a turn, mana leak for a turn, and say gg.

you're going to oath, put this guild guy on the board. you're a.recall 4-5x to protect your...3/5 threat? i'm not worried about a 6 turn clock (and adding berserk to the deck is also quite silly. you're going to either oath it into the grave, you're going to have it in your first 7 as a dead card, or you're going to will it back...which if you successfully will after oathing, you already win, you don't need the berserks).

14  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Current box office recommendations. on: January 06, 2006, 10:33:04 am
watched munich yesterday.

definately now what i expected.

if i was ready for a slow drama, instead of a typical exciting spilberg, then maybe i would have enjoyed it more.

as it was, it really dragged along, and if you don't care that much about arabs or jews, then...
15  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Best Graphic Novels on: January 05, 2006, 10:20:42 am

Didn't like: Transmetropolitan, Top Ten, Powers, Promethea, Astro City, Mystic, Authority, Stormwatch

Anyone else reading some stuff, or have read that they think is a must read??????

Thank you in advance,


wow...everybody is entitled to their opinion, but if you are looking for the best graphics, and you don't like top ten, or're really missing out.

powes is still one of the best books put to print. many of image's books are also great.

luna brother's

y the last man
16  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / lost deck with power...chicago on: December 29, 2005, 02:08:42 am
hi, i've been playing a lot more ext or 1.5, so i didn't notice that my type 1 deck was missing. i'm going to trash my house again, but i'm afraid that it is gone at this point.

most likely lost in CHICAGO, IL pastimes

nothing too special about the deck, old school control slaver deck running an extra gifts, two bounce cards, and no recoup or burning wish.

red ultra pro case, blue kmc sleeves.
p9 minus twister and lotus

the lotus was a mint (psa 8-9) CE with intact corner's.
the rest of the p9 pieces were mostly good

4x itl mana drains

i guess the most interesting part of the deck is foil mindslaver...and foil sundering titan

anyways, kinda shitty, if anybody sees anything remotely like this...please, let me know.
17  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Current box office recommendations. on: December 15, 2005, 11:02:34 am
3.5 hours? that's ridiculous...
18  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: GWS Oath on: December 13, 2005, 10:34:38 am
He's already said that Stax is one of the matchups he fears most, which means saying this beats Stax handily is kind of silly.  Also, Misdirection seems fairly bad.  It'll help win you counterwars over Oath, but so does Duress and it does so more efficiently, while also not sucking flaccid monkey wang against other decks.  Versus something like Fish, Misdirection is almost always going to suck (only hitting Ancestral, counters and StP) while Duress hits all that and more.

How do you feel about Library of Alexandria?  Given the way you play the deck, my guess is that it would have no place, because you never want to sit on a hand of 7.  Still, the advantage gained could be incredible.

hasn't an active loa always been an incredible advantage? that's not really the point, there are few control decks out there that can afford to sit on 7 cards for even a single turn, obviously going first makes it difficult, any fow action, chalices wants you to bring your moxes out early...etc.

especially since this is a "fish" variant with actual threats, i don't see any possibility of holding 7 cards. plus the fact that they mention that they aren't control player, they don't have inevitability, and with no CA, it's not going to happen.
19  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: [Free Article] Finding a Middle Ground: Negotiating Fair Prize Structures on: December 13, 2005, 09:53:42 am
nice read...

when did DA get banned? lol.
20  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Retarded Super Powers. on: December 13, 2005, 09:48:12 am
So, after my friends and I had a LENGTHY discussion on Bizarro (that is, Superman's mentally retarded equal,) we began to think of how Bizarro could actually become more Bizarro.

That is, if not only he, but his actual powers were somehow retarded.

For instance:

Normal Superpower:  FLYING.
Retarded Superpower:  Being able to jump off something really tall, and not being hurt.

You see?  It's sorta like flying, but really all.

We laughed a good bit after trying to make other ones.  Others include:

Normal Superpower:  WATER-BREATHING.  (I.E., Aquaman.)
Retarded Superpower:  Being able to drink ALOT, but not immune to drowning.

And, the best one:

Normal Superpower:  TELEPORTATION.
Retarded Superpower:  Waking up, and not knowing where you are.

They're hard to come up with.

Can anyone else think of retarded superpowers?

you and your friends have interesting humor. i'm a large comic fan and i don't really see what you are getting at lol.
21  Vintage Community Discussion / Rules Q&A / Re: Question about Phyrexian Negator on: December 09, 2005, 10:19:56 am
you guys should talk about the interaction when negator is hit for 5. now that is fun...

i believe it is

big l bolt to negator for 5
negator's trigger for 5 on the stack
check state based effects, negator is dead

sac 5 permanents.
22  Vintage Community Discussion / Casual Forum / Re: Sengir Delbiatch.DEC (A Fun Concoction) on: December 07, 2005, 11:37:26 am
I missed that it was an alternate CC instead of an extra CC.  Now that that's corrected:
I admire your three-card combo (Autocrat + Chalice + Delraich) that somehow also doesn't scoop to Wrath of God.

Try Hymn to Tourach instead of Bog Down, Cabal Therapy instead of Duress, Terror instead of Sever Soul (5mana is too much for removal), Grim Tutor over Diabolic Tutor.  Skeletal Scrying seems better than Ambition's Cost, and Phyrexian Arena might be better than both.  And Infest in the board over Forced March. about the new arena that is a 2/1 to boot?i hear he's "ok"
23  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: A Measure of the Importance of Winning the Coin Flip on: December 01, 2005, 11:32:37 am
That's why I think a cool rule would be for the player who goes first to draw 7 cards and the player who goes second to draw 8, and then neither draws a card in the first turn. This is a plus and a minus. It makes mulligan decisions much easier on the second player (as he or she can mull to 7), gives them a better chance to have Force, but also makes effects like Duress potentially more potent.

nice idea, but i don't think any advantage needs to be given to the first player. maybe something like your idea, but the 8th card is viewable but not in your hand, or in your hand, but RFG so they can't duress or something.
24  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: A Measure of the Importance of Winning the Coin Flip on: November 30, 2005, 09:53:16 am
Well, I should have said that differently.

I think that Vintage-legal cards are so powerful that they can mitigate the effect of going second. Remember the coin-flip stigma about our format? Well that's still the exception to the rule. Obviously, everybody plays first in Vintage, but until I see a lot of data on this, I am not going to be convinced that going first directly leads to winning the game more often. (You don't always play first just because that means you are going to win faster. Disruption is a key part of the format, and in fact going first to cast disruption slows down the game. Going first gives different advantages to different strategies. While it is second nature to us as magic players and as Vintage players, going first is not an obvious choice. Trying to say why going first is right is equivalent to trying to explain tempo. We have an understanding of these ideas, and an intuition about them, but they are not easy or obvious.)

Here you defeat your own argument. Sure, the power level of the cards are so high that they can negate the effect of going second. However, this is completely neutralized by the fact that your opponent is ALSO playing type 1, and his card's power levels are probably ridiculous as well. When your opponent is playing the same cards as you, equivalent in power level, and playing first, then...then going second with a strong hand doesn't mitigate the problem, it just puts you in the same position but a turn slower...

25  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: The dilemma on: November 29, 2005, 09:50:20 am
unless you need the money, i don't see any reason to sell out. i don't anticipate that power prices will drop so significantly that you can/will make a quick buck when you decide to jump right back in. sure, vintage is on a slight delcline, but legacy's time is relegated to just a single month, and i can't see too much more WOTC support unless lille does outstanding.

26  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Different control strategies in the different formats. on: November 22, 2005, 07:11:40 pm
1. type 1 is so much faster that any card advantage significantly avalanches into victory

I'm not a veteran of multiple formats, but I think this is very much the big reason that draw spells are prime counter targets. Note, however, that Smmenen recently had an example on (or was it SCG? can't really remember now) where he wouldn't counter a first-turn Ancestral with Mono-U.

Well, this was true only in the sense that steve was holding an LOA and didn't want to deplete his hand and thus stop his unstoppable draw. I don't know of any other situations where recall isn't stopped.

Vegeta makes a lot of good points, especially the fact that not many counters are hard counters. So, how exactly is somebody supposed to play control vs control? it seems like tapping out main phase isn't too bad of a proposition. there is rarely a play that another control player is going to attempt that is deadly that you can't respond to. worst case scenario he gets to fof as well. also, the thing is, if you only hold your counters for actual threats, many of your counters will just not work after turns 8+

of course, there are many sides to the argument, i'm just trying to figure out how to play.
27  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Different control strategies in the different formats. on: November 22, 2005, 05:31:26 pm
I've played type 1 for a while now, but just recently started on slower sets such as legacy, extended, even...standard.

I've been reading/watching more analysis of pros, and this is the second time that this situation has come up. control vs control, the commentators or writers talk about how you should never counter the draw, and only counter the actual threats. now, this is hugely different than how control vs control plays in type 1, where almost every single draw spell must be contested.

why is there such a huge difference? and are the commentators correct? have i been playing extended wrong by countering an opponent's fof in extended? i mean, in cases such as iso scepter and orim's chant, you don't want to counter the scepter because it essentially gives them 4 more exact same threats that you'll have to deal with again. but countering draw prevents options.

i'm not really sure why this difference. i can think of a few reasons,
1. type 1 is so much faster that any card advantage significantly avalanches into victory

2. broken acceleration, in type 1, you can get "lucky" and hit moxes, and lotus in your draws, allowing you to play those cards you drew. in slower formats, this doesn't happen. playing a land a turn means even if they do cast successive FOF, if they aren't hitting land every turn, they're going to discard (which seems to happen more often than type 1)

well, we're always looking for ways to improve, maybe some veterans of multiple formats can enlighten.

28  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: December 1 on: November 21, 2005, 12:36:17 pm
I hope to god they don't touch lackey. Having a strong, dominant aggro deck does wonders for the meta. It allows some kind of predictability and really allows the triumviate exist. Taking away lackey would be like taking out aether vial in extended, too drastic of a response.

Also, gifts isn't better than FOF. as a singleton, gifts is better, but if you could play more, then fof is it's hard to compare the two.

29  Vintage Community Discussion / General Community Discussion / Re: Creating a collection database on: November 21, 2005, 12:25:37 pm
excel is pretty good i heard...
especially since it was designed for this kind of endeavor.

who's pete? SCG pete hoefling (sp)?
30  Eternal Formats / Miscellaneous / Re: Life from the loam IS the hate. (aggro/control list) on: November 21, 2005, 12:12:28 pm
Well, chains only really kills brainstorm...and TFK. everything else is replacement mostly.
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